2015 DNP Requirement for APNs - page 6

Hey everyone, Is it true that all NPs and other APNs will have to finish off their DNP in order to achieve NP status after 2015? I'm currently applying for FNP school and I'm getting worried... Read More

  1. Visit  tryingtohaveitall profile page
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    Here is what PNCB has to say on the matter. http://www.pncb.org/ptistore/resourc.../forms/DNP.pdf
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  3. Visit  scwolf profile page
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    Thanks for the PNCB statement, tryingtohaveitall. It's good that Master's prepared NP's won't have to go back to school. It leaves open, however, the question of what happens to students who are half-way through a Master's NP program. Will we be grandfathered in too? Has anyone seen anything that addresses that point?
    Thanks.
  4. Visit  tryingtohaveitall profile page
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    One thing I found interesting in their statement was "in the next 10-15 years as the DNP becomes established as the majority framework for PNP education...." While I agree we are closer to that, at this point it seems the MS/MSN programs are still the majority. I know some have said the programs they've seen are now only DNP, but in my area, the ones I've recently checked are all still MS/MSN with the option to go on for a DNP.
  5. Visit  SycamoreGuy profile page
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    I have a feeling NP education will end up like RN education. Many organizations recommend BSN as entry to practice yet there are still ADN and even diploma programs. I'm willing to bet there will still be MSN NP programs for the next 30 or 40 years, even if they do become fewer and fewer.
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  6. Visit  CarolinaBlue profile page
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    How much longer is a DNP compared to a Masters program?
    How much more is a DNP expected to cost?
    Also, with DNP would there still be specialties (ex: family, neonatal, etc)

    I'm working on my BSN and Id like to become an NNP at some point along the line but it sounds like they're really trying to make us jump through some crazy hoops....

    Thanks y'all
  7. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    Quote from wtbcrna
    The AACN DNP requirement statement is only a suggestion. The statement from the AACN carries no binding weight other than the influence that the AACN has.

    The DNP is not designed to give students more clinical experience. It is supposed to be designed to make APNs experts in the utilization of EBP.

    So in practice, the Doctorate level for NPs is just a suggestion. It actually caries absolutely zero weight in your practice. Which means the MSN for NP programs will still be able to live on and continue to build more NPs.

    When you say "experts in the utilization of EBPs" are you talking about evidence based papers?

    As in trying to implement research findings as hospitals/setting policy?

    If so, what if some NPs do not want to take an administrative role?
  8. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
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    Quote from kalevra
    So in practice, the Doctorate level for NPs is just a suggestion. It actually caries absolutely zero weight in your practice. Which means the MSN for NP programs will still be able to live on and continue to build more NPs.

    When you say "experts in the utilization of EBPs" are you talking about evidence based papers?

    As in trying to implement research findings as hospitals/setting policy?

    If so, what if some NPs do not want to take an administrative role?
    EBP=Evidenced Based Practice

    "EBP is "the conscientious, explicit and judicious use of current best evidence in making decisions about the care of the individual patient. It means integrating individual clinical expertise with the best available external clinical evidence from systematic research." (Sackett D, 1996)"

    EBP doesn't have to do with being in administration. It has to do with bringing the best practice to your patients. When you are a provider you decide what medicine and/or diagnostic procedure is best for your patient. Hopefully, providers will take the time to update their practice and search the literature for high quality evidence to bring the best research to practice. It rarely happens that way though. Most providers will continue to practice the way they are taught until forced to change. Nursing and healthcare is slowly getting better, but it still often takes over 17yrs for research to make its way into practice. The DNP is way to provide education in making nurses experts in utilizing EBP.


  9. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    So so long as implementation of EBP practice does not contradict in house standard operating procedure, the NP is good to go. 17 years seriously!
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    Quote from kalevra
    So so long as implementation of EBP practice does not contradict in house standard operating procedure, the NP is good to go. 17 years seriously!
    17-22yrs....
  11. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    So in practice, the Doctorate level for NPs is just a suggestion. It actually caries absolutely zero weight in your practice. Which means the MSN for NP programs will still be able to live on and continue to build more NPs.
    *** Yes exactly. Execept, thanks to some early advocates of the DNP who went around claiming they would be "physician equals", lots of doctors dislike the DNP.

    When you say "experts in the utilization of EBPs" are you talking about evidence based papers?
    *** Evidenced Based Practice = means somebody (usally a day shifter) went to a confrence and now want to change everything. At least until the next confrence and the "new" evidence contradicts last years EBP. EBP can also = latest nursing fad.
    Quite obviously EBP has the potential to rapidly improve patient care and outcomes. But in realiety it's sort of like EMRs. The promis doesn't live up to the hype as currently implamented.
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** Yes exactly. Execept, thanks to some early advocates of the DNP who went around claiming they would be "physician equals", lots of doctors dislike the DNP.



    *** Evidenced Based Practice = means somebody (usally a day shifter) went to a confrence and now want to change everything. At least until the next confrence and the "new" evidence contradicts last years EBP. EBP can also = latest nursing fad.
    Quite obviously EBP has the potential to rapidly improve patient care and outcomes. But in realiety it's sort of like EMRs. The promis doesn't live up to the hype as currently implamented.
    If you think that is what EBP then you are mistaken. EBP for a provider should be how you are going to utilize research to help your patients most and your own individual practice. Most nurses do not know how to interpret research or determine hierarchy of evidence. It is funny that physicians in general have adopted EBP/EBM but nurses are still resisting it every step of the way. Anesthesiologists have even made implementing an EBP change into their own practice as a part of board recertification.
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  13. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    If you think that is what EBP then you are mistaken.
    *** No _I_ don't. I was making fun of a certain type of person I have worked with over the years. Seems to be few in every hospital I have ever worked in. I should have made that more clear.

    It is funny that physicians in general have adopted EBP/EBM but nurses are still resisting it every step of the way.
    *** As evidenced by?
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** No _I_ don't. I was making fun of a certain type of person I have worked with over the years. Seems to be few in every hospital I have ever worked in. I should have made that more clear.


    *** As evidenced by?
    You're kidding right....if you don't think nurses in general don't fight every change including EBP there is nothing I can do to convince you.
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