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No. 20
from Agrippa
Old Aug 10, 2009, 08:13 PM

Default Re: White House offers information on proposes health care reform
Originally Posted by RedCell View Post
I see this mantra repeated a lot on my favorite website (other than allnurses of course) democraticunderground. The fact of the matter is that there have been other ideas presented that were largely drawn up by guys like Ryan, Kyl, Coburn etc. The plans require more personal accountability and less government involvement. Due to the current liberal majority in the legislative and executive branches, the alternative solutions have been ignored because they do not involve increasing the power of the government.

I cannot see how anyone who has actually read Barry’s bill can come away and give it their support. I think Tiggerforhim is on to something! Marx could not have done a better job if he had written this bill himself. “From each according to his ability to each according to his need” is the basic theme of this crazed document.

A couple of snippets from the goodies that can be found inside….

-Government committees to decide on treatments
-Mandatory requirement for private insurance to participate in the healthcare exchange
-An appointment of a Healthcare commissioner to decide health benefits for you (we have more czars in the USA now than mother Russia ever had)
-Section 1401 alone is one of the silliest strings of consonants and vowels I have ever seen!
-Hospitals being monetarily penalized if big brother does not deem you followed their treatment plan
Seriously man, the hits just keep on coming the more you get into this thing. I encourage people to go a step beyond their elected officials and actually read this thing.

By the way, nothing in the government is efficient. Take a look at the Postal Service. Another government entity that asks for more money each year,yet continues to provide the American public with unpredictable and lackluster service.

All of your "facts" are simply false. Please cite exactly where and in which bill you are referring to.

Furthermore, I don't quite know what your point about the post office is. I can get someone to come to my home, pick up a letter, put it on a truck, put it on a airplane, fly it to New York or LA in 1-10 days for less than $0.50. I''m pretty happy. This is such a ridiculous argument that it would be funny if I didn't know that people are actually using such logic to work against healthcare reform.
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No. 21
from RedCell
Old Aug 10, 2009, 08:41 PM

Default Re: White House offers information on proposes health care reform
Just like a democratic to make someone else do their homework for them. Okay, you twisted my arm far enough. I will do it for you. But, you still need to read the ‘book’. My Cliff Notes are not meant to be a substitute for all of the insanity described in this plan. Read pages 84, 42, 30, 280. That will get you started and reference my “simply false” facts.

Oh this is one of my personal favorites, the government will have direct access to individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer of payments to them. Yeah, read page 59 too.

Here is the bill….
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf
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No. 22
from Agrippa
Old Aug 10, 2009, 09:02 PM

Default Re: White House offers information on proposes health care reform
Originally Posted by RedCell View Post
Just like a democratic to make someone else do their homework for them. Okay, you twisted my arm far enough. I will do it for you. But, you still need to read the ‘book’. My Cliff Notes are not meant to be a substitute for all of the insanity described in this plan. Read pages 84, 42, 30, 280. That will get you started and reference my “simply false” facts.

Oh this is one of my personal favorites, the government will have direct access to individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer of payments to them. Yeah, read page 59 too.

Here is the bill….
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf
Yes, just like a "democratic" to ask for sources. We don't go by the "gut" - we check facts. Since you twisted my arm, I'll do your due diligence for you and actually look at the bill in question. I actually don't identify myself by political parties but my my own ideological beliefs. Parties are always adjusting their beliefs but I vote on issues.

Anyway, this was what I was hoping you would do when I asked you to cite. Lets look at what you threw out. Your favorite part about electronic funds transfer you're referring to is as follows:

‘‘(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC STAND10
ARDS.—The standards under this section shall be
11 developed, adopted and enforced so as to—
12 ‘‘(A) clarify, refine, complete, and expand,
13 as needed, the standards required under section
14 1173;
15 ‘‘(B) require paper versions of standard16
ized transactions to comply with the same
17 standards as to data content such that a fully
18 compliant, equivalent electronic transaction can
19 be populated from the data from a paper
20 version;
21 ‘‘(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
22 order to allow automated reconciliation with the
23 related health care payment and remittance ad24
vice;
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•HR 3200 IH
1 ‘‘(D) require timely and transparent claim
2 and denial management processes, including
3 tracking, adjudication, and appeal processing;
4 ‘‘(E) require the use of a standard elec5
tronic transaction with which health care pro6
viders may quickly and efficiently enroll with a
7 health plan to conduct the other electronic
8 transactions provided for in this part; and

9 ‘‘(F) provide for other requirements relat10
ing to administrative simplification as identified
11 by the Secretary, in consultation with stake12
holders.
This is also in the context where we're trying to go into electronic medical records. Wow...Democrat"ics" are trying to update the healthcare system to run more efficiently with less waste, less paper work and less administrative hassle. You know, what every other westernized industrial nation has. I suppose you can just try to label that as Socialist!!! GASP.

Lets do this again. You cite page 84. Lets see what is says in context.

(1) REQUIRED OFFERING OF BASIC PLAN.—The
16 entity offers only one basic plan for such service
17 area.
18 (2) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF ENHANCED
19 PLAN.—If and only if the entity offers a basic plan
20 for such service area, the entity may offer one en21
hanced plan for such area.
22 (3) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM PLAN.—
23 If and only if the entity offers an enhanced plan for
24 such service area, the entity may offer one premium
25 plan for such area.
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•HR 3200 IH
1 (4) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM-PLUS
2 PLANS.—If and only if the entity offers a premium
3 plan for such service area, the entity may offer one
4 or more premium-plus plans for such area.
5 All such plans may be offered under a single contract with
6 the Commissioner.
7 (c) SPECIFICATION
So this is outlining the basics of what kind of different options will be available if you choose to enter into the public option. You can have a basic, an optional enhanced, an optional premium, and then an optional premium plus. This is still just the public option. If you want further supplemental insurance, you can get more in the private market. So what is it about this that is so bad? No one is forcing you to accept the plan. Keep whatever you've got if you'd like.

Meanwhile, we're going to start covering people so that they can get help at the front end through early preventative care saving our system money, instead of them having to wait until their treatable condition gets so bad and we have to treat them in the ER, the most expensive way possible.

The other pages you've cited is equally shallow and unexamined. You clearly went to some extreme right wing website who took a cursory look at the bill, got some boogie man topics that out of context may look strange, and then just posted it here because it supports your already stalwart conservative position.

Sorry, sell that garbage somewhere else.
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No. 23
Old Aug 10, 2009, 09:08 PM

Default Re: White House offers information on proposes health care reform
Thanks, guys, for hijacking the thread with your rants. Go play somewhere else. Moderator, I ask you to close this thread.
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from NRSKarenRN
Old Aug 10, 2009, 10:23 PM

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No. 25
from MaritesaRN
Old Aug 11, 2009, 11:26 AM

Default Re: White House offers information on proposes health care reform
Originally Posted by RedCell View Post
Just like a democratic to make someone else do their homework for them. Okay, you twisted my arm far enough. I will do it for you. But, you still need to read the ‘book’. My Cliff Notes are not meant to be a substitute for all of the insanity described in this plan. Read pages 84, 42, 30, 280. That will get you started and reference my “simply false” facts.

Oh this is one of my personal favorites, the government will have direct access to individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer of payments to them. Yeah, read page 59 too.

Here is the bill….
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf

Redcell , go take a hike , or better yet , take a flight out of this country. If you can not be a teamplayer, and not supportive and just rants , then go live somewhere else out of the USA. Makes me think ...... how much are you paid to do this? Distractions , negativity to the attempts of health reform. Who is paying you? or are you jsut really that shallow? I can not fine any critical thinking in your concepts and perceptions and I am wasting my time.
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