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from Pierrette
Old Feb 04, 2009, 08:16 PM

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Universal health care could give us this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html?ITO=1490
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No. 51
Old Feb 04, 2009, 10:21 PM

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Wow, one example of this happening out of how many patients being treated successfully? This guy couldn't find a dentist that took NHS?

I went to the NHS website and pulled up a TON of Bevereley dentists in his area. (try it for yourself and see)

I too would love to post anecdotal stuff to try and prove my point, but it's not conducive to the conversation at all.

edit: here I'll even include the link

http://www.nhs.uk/ServiceDirectories...1&PageCount=20
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No. 52
Old Feb 05, 2009, 10:41 AM

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There are dentists in MN who refuse to accept Delta Dental for state employees because the state requires them to care for medicaid patients as well.
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No. 53
from Jolie
Old Feb 05, 2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
There are dentists in MN who refuse to accept Delta Dental for state employees because the state requires them to care for medicaid patients as well.
A perfect example of the negative unintended consequences of poorly-thought-out regulation. Instead of resulting in more choices for Medicaid patients, this requirement limits the choices of state employees and Medicaid recipients.
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No. 54
from Katie82
Old Feb 07, 2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
There are dentists in MN who refuse to accept Delta Dental for state employees because the state requires them to care for medicaid patients as well.
I work with the Medicaid population and can attest to the difficulty of locating providers for them, both medical and dental. I always assumed it was the low reimbursement, but interactions with many providers indicates to me that this is not the biggest barrier. Most providers do not want to carry a lot of Medicaid patients because of the time involved in managing them. The state agency I work for has just started a wonderful program to link pediatricians and dentists so that children are referred for dental care at an early age. Part of my job is insuring that referred patients get and keep their appointments. Not an easy task. The no-show rate among Medicaid patients in general is phenominal. While docs can charge a "no-show"fee to private patients, they cannot do so for MA. Often the only alternative to managing a MA patient who is habitually non-compliant is to dismiss them from the practice. I have gained a new understanding of the providers who are viewed as bad guys because they will not accept MA patients.
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No. 55
Old Feb 07, 2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
A perfect example of the negative unintended consequences of poorly-thought-out regulation. Instead of resulting in more choices for Medicaid patients, this requirement limits the choices of state employees and Medicaid recipients.
Once again, just because some aspects of a badly managed public health care system are wrong, does not mean that a properly managed public health care system (such as is found in every other industrialized country) is in any way comparable. Wouldn't you agree?
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No. 56
from herring_RN
Old Feb 08, 2009, 12:44 AM

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Three Reasons Why Single-Payer Health Care Has Become Possible

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellne...come_possible/
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No. 57
from Pierrette
Old Feb 08, 2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ooottafvgvah View Post
Once again, just because some aspects of a badly managed public health care system are wrong, does not mean that a properly managed public health care system (such as is found in every other industrialized country) is in any way comparable. Wouldn't you agree?
Every other industrialized country has a properly managed public health care system?

One things seems certain: we're going to get public health care. I believe in democracy and the voters have spoken. Left-leaning politicians now control the entire federal government. We'll get what we as a people voted for.

May God have mercy on us these next few years.
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No. 58
Old Feb 08, 2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierrette View Post
Every other industrialized country has a properly managed public health care system?
Uhh..yes? There are problems, of course. But there are also serious problems that our country is having also. Capitalism cannot solve the healthcare crisis. It in fact caused it. Healthcare is not a commodity any more than police and fire services are a commodity, and it should have never been treated as such.

Those other countries that you may be afraid of that have public health care...do yourself a favor and look up the average life expectancy and quality of living there.

Will you do that, and get back to me on what you find?
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No. 59
from herring_RN
Old Feb 09, 2009, 06:09 PM

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Let’s expand Medicare to cover all Americans

…For every dollar spent on direct care, nearly three other dollars are spent in ancillary ways, in other goods and services: from prescription drugs to medical equipment, to cleaning supplies purchased by health care providers such as hospitals and clinics, to consumer spending by employees whose jobs are created by health care.

Then imagine we have a system in which the 46 million Americans presently uninsured are now covered by full Medicare, which by itself could be funded by an additional $44 billion. Add in full Medicare for seniors who have limited Medicare programs, those on Medicaid, and those who have private insurance but don’t use it because of the high out-of-pocket costs or who are denied needed care because their private insurer doesn’t want to pay for it.

That’s the real key to economic growth through health care, people using medically needed care when they need it. Providing care jump-starts the economy massively.

It has other rather important benefits. A healthier population….

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090208/OPINION04/902079925/-1/YOUTH
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