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No. 30
from herring_RN
Old Dec 05, 2008, 04:34 PM

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Is there a link or source for the French system being bankrupt?

I looked but couldn't find it.

I did find these articles:

http://healthcare-economist.com/2008...-world-france/

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...8/b4042070.htm
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No. 31
from herring_RN
Old Dec 05, 2008, 04:38 PM

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Nurses Reject AHIP Proposal as a “Marshall Plan for Health Insurers”

As Stocks Fall, Insurance Corporations Look for Backdoor Bailout—
Guaranteed Customers and Revenue

The nation's largest organization of registered nurses today rejected the new to healthcare reform proposal by America's Health Insurance Plans as a "Marshall Plan for the health insurance industry."…

…"How ironic for AHIP to call for a 30 percent cut, the same percentage of every healthcare dollar that is sliced off the top for insurance profits and administration, much of the latter devoted to denying care claims for insured patients. There's a much faster, more effective, less bureaucratic way to achieve that 30 percent cut – expand and improve Medicare to cover all Americans and eliminate the insurance industry bureaucracy and control over our health."

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2008/december/nurses-reject-ahip-proposal-as-a-marshall-plan-for-health-insurers.html?print=t
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No. 32
Old Dec 05, 2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
Is there a link or source for the French system being bankrupt?

I looked but couldn't find it.

I did find these articles:

http://healthcare-economist.com/2008...-world-france/

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...8/b4042070.htm
I've spent some time googling and although I uncovered a lot about the frustrations of providers bailing out of the state program because reimbursement is low, I could not find the article about financial desperation.

I read it, on Yahoo. I know this because we discussed it in our policy class, and others, including the professor, had also seen the article.

Normally I am happy to provide a cite if asked, but I've already devoted time I didn't have to the task, so you can just ignore my earlier post if proof is needed.

But you cannot deny the question, where is the money coming from? Health care is a huge part of France's budget every year and granted they aren't spending much on defense, but still.....
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No. 33
from herring_RN
Old Dec 05, 2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chris_at_lucas_RN View Post
I've spent some time googling and although I uncovered a lot about the frustrations of providers bailing out of the state program because reimbursement is low, I could not find the article about financial desperation.

I read it, on Yahoo. I know this because we discussed it in our policy class, and others, including the professor, had also seen the article.

Normally I am happy to provide a cite if asked, but I've already devoted time I didn't have to the task, so you can just ignore my earlier post if proof is needed.

But you cannot deny the question, where is the money coming from? Health care is a huge part of France's budget every year and granted they aren't spending much on defense, but still.....
I'm not doubting you.
I was surprised not to find it.
Thought it may be in a source not available on line.

Or maybe Yahoo used the wrong word due to poor translation.
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No. 34
Old Dec 05, 2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
I'm not doubting you.
I was surprised not to find it.
Thought it may be in a source not available on line.

Or maybe Yahoo used the wrong word due to poor translation.
You may have a good point, the idea that Yahoo might have had a translation issue.

That would explain the inability to find the article, if it had been pulled or retracted or even corrected so that the standard googling would not find the original article....

And actually, although it is awfully nice of you to say, it's OK if you doubt me--I try to be dependable but even I (yes, even I) can be wrong sometimes.

Take care,
Christine
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No. 35
Old Dec 05, 2008, 08:30 PM
Updated Dec 05, 2008 at 08:35 PM by lamazeteacher

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[quote=ZASHAGALKA;3287640]American health care is the best in the world. America doesn't have a health care provision problem. We have a health care FINANCING problem. There IS a difference. And. It's a big one.

Do physicians in other countries receive higher pay than in ours?
How many other countries have Health Insurance executives whose pay rates are higher than ours? Cut out the gouging that occurs in those 2 factors, and there would be no financing problems with our health care!
Have you seen any health care other than America's problem fraught one? Did you watch the movie "Sicko"?
How many countries other than third world ones, have a fetal morbidity and mortality rates as high as ours?
How many other countries have had the wrong body parts removed in surgery as we have?
How many countries have a medication error rate as high as ours?
Does our MRSA, Difficile, or other hospital acquired infection (HAI) rate approximate any other modern country's?
Do our Infection Control procedures and reporting compare well with that in other counties?
Do mental health and aging patient behavior conditions' coverage receive appropriate care that equals that given physical diseases?
Please substantiate your opinion with examples, as it appears to me that your chauvanistic attitude is based on brainwashing propaganda!

I have worked in hospitals, infection control departments, employee health, home health, public health and nursing education in the USA and Canada, interviewed people in 26 countries around the world about their attitudes regarding their health care; and have seen first hand that the USA provides more inferior standards of care and has higher rates of noncompliance with the laws for healthcare providers than most "civilized" countries.
If we admitted the problems we have, we could improve healthcare provider performance here. As long as we sale euphorically along on your cloud of denial, we won't improve and more people will suffer and die unnecessarily.
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No. 36
Old Dec 07, 2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chris_at_lucas_RN View Post
But you cannot deny the question, where is the money coming from? Health care is a huge part of France's budget every year and granted they aren't spending much on defense, but still.....
Yeah, no offense, but I don't believe that france's healthcare system is bankrupt because there is literally no news regarding it, and it would be huge were it at all remotely true. I'm sure you misunderstood something else.

In regards to your question, the money comes from taxes. It has to. Otherwise we end up with the failed and utterly broken system that we have now.
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No. 37
Old Dec 09, 2008, 12:45 AM

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"But you cannot deny the question, where is the money coming from? Health care is a huge part of France's budget every year and granted they aren't spending much on defense, but still.....

There are two ways to make a real apples to apples comparison of health care costs among countries: dollars per capita or percent of GDP. By both measures, the US already spends more - a lot more - than all of the countries that cover all their citizens. In fact, we even spend more in taxes than any of them do. We are paying for universal healthcare now, we just aren't getting it.
The difference is the massive amounts lost to: insurance company bureaucracy, profit and executive compensation. The amounts wasted by doctors and hospitals on complying with insurance company regs, filling out forms, fighting for reimbursement, etc. The expense of caring for people with expensive problems because they could not get care for a cheaper problem - doing dialysis on people whose kidneys failed because they could not get decent treatment for their diabetes etc, etc, etc.
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No. 38
Old Dec 09, 2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico David RN View Post
"But you cannot deny the question, where is the money coming from? Health care is a huge part of France's budget every year and granted they aren't spending much on defense, but still.....

There are two ways to make a real apples to apples comparison of health care costs among countries: dollars per capita or percent of GDP. By both measures, the US already spends more - a lot more - than all of the countries that cover all their citizens. In fact, we even spend more in taxes than any of them do. We are paying for universal healthcare now, we just aren't getting it.
The difference is the massive amounts lost to: insurance company bureaucracy, profit and executive compensation. The amounts wasted by doctors and hospitals on complying with insurance company regs, filling out forms, fighting for reimbursement, etc. The expense of caring for people with expensive problems because they could not get care for a cheaper problem - doing dialysis on people whose kidneys failed because they could not get decent treatment for their diabetes etc, etc, etc.
Hear, hear!!

I agree totally, absolutely! Thank you, David!

Christine
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No. 39
Old Dec 10, 2008, 12:03 PM

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Well if we cancel the illegal war Bush is keeping us in. That can open up funds for generations to run health care at an optimum level. Why pay for war if you cant afford health.

How much health care can be paid for with the amount given to AIG on the bail out.

How much health care can we get for what they are going to bail out the big three automakers, while they continue to run their companies so inefficiently into the ground. What is more important SUVs for soccer moms or health care for the children.
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