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| Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 21 |
Aug 19, 2009, 01:38 AM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine
Wow, I've never lived in a town that didn't have free or reduced price clinics supported by local doctors & hospitals for patients without insurance.
The town I currently live in is small, (about 7,000 people) & we have 3.
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Aug 19, 2009, 07:39 AM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine Originally Posted by ozoneranger Wow, I've never lived in a town that didn't have free or reduced price clinics supported by local doctors & hospitals for patients without insurance.
The town I currently live in is small, (about 7,000 people) & we have 3.
I agree, if one is truley "poor" they would qualify for medicaid, if they are the working poor there are places that offer services and fees income based on a sliding scale. I find it interesting that people who can't afford to pay for insurance can afford to own cars, pay for rent/mortgage, groceries, flat screen tv's, cell phones, computers etc. It's really a matter of priorities. One can always pay to see a doctor (with money) no insurance needed there. The big problems come in of course with expensive tests, treatments and hospitalizations. There are options, even for kids of the uninsured, to get health care. Maybe the government should think about offering the already socialized medical plan--Medicaid, to include the working poor. It would cover those in the gaps without forcing all of us into it. Socialized medicine = socialized society, we would say goodbye to our liberty and freedoms we so much enjoy in this country.
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Aug 19, 2009, 08:50 AM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine Originally Posted by GrumpyRN63 I agree, if one is truley "poor" they would qualify for medicaid, if they are the working poor there are places that offer services and fees income based on a sliding scale. I find it interesting that people who can't afford to pay for insurance can afford to own cars, pay for rent/mortgage, groceries, flat screen tv's, cell phones, computers etc. It's really a matter of priorities. One can always pay to see a doctor (with money) no insurance needed there. The big problems come in of course with expensive tests, treatments and hospitalizations. There are options, even for kids of the uninsured, to get health care. Maybe the government should think about offering the already socialized medical plan--Medicaid, to include the working poor. It would cover those in the gaps without forcing all of us into it. Socialized medicine = socialized society, we would say goodbye to our liberty and freedoms we so much enjoy in this country.
14 million of the uninsured are fully eligible for government assistance through programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP, yet for some unknown reason, don't apply for benefits.
A 2008 study by the Georgetown University Health Policy Institute showed that a whopping 70 percent of uninsured children are eligible for Medicaid, SCHIP, or both programs. And roughly 27 percent of non-elderly Americans who are eligible for Medicaid haven’t enrolled and simply live their lives without health insurance, according to the Urban Institute.
If millions of Americans aren't availing themselves of taxpayer-funded coverage, why should we think that an even bigger government healthcare bureaucracy would solve the problem?
For families that face catastrophic diseases like childhood cancer, there's St. Jude, Who will not only cover the cost of treatment, but will cover the cost of travel, food & lodging for the entire family. http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index...000e2015acRCRD
There is, in fact, an entire network of hospitals dedicated to providing care, at no expense to the families they serve. http://www.childrensmiraclenetwork.org/ 170 hospitals worldwide http://www.shrinershq.org/Hospitals_by_Specialty.aspx 28 hospitals in the US & Mexico.
You can google 'free care for qualifying....' & find free providers galore.
I find it frustrating when I read these sob stories about kids dying of cancer because they don't have insurance, I believe these stories are contrived to make us believe there's a crisis, when in fact, there's not.
St. Jude turns no one away, regardless of ability to pay, as do all the above linked facilities.
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Aug 19, 2009, 09:54 AM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine Originally Posted by GrumpyRN63 . Socialized medicine = socialized society, we would say goodbye to our liberty and freedoms we so much enjoy in this country.
BTW, USA does not hold the patent on liberty and freedom. Ask any European who enjoys national health care if they are "enslaved".
The feudalistic society that we are rapidly heading toward WILL enslave you.
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Aug 19, 2009, 08:04 PM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine Originally Posted by GrumpyRN63 she shouldn't be going to the ER, that's the problem, people using the ER for primary care
My thoughts exactly!
I see people like this all of the time in my ED. I always refer them to the free clinic I work at, if this woman were to come there she would be seen and cared for by the physicians there throughout her illness.
I live in a small town, we have 2 free clinics there. In the major city I work in there are 11 (2 are peds only). They see everyone that comes in regardless of ability to pay. They provide preventative medicine as well as care for chronic illnesses. We also refer them to the proper resources to help them with other aspects such as Rx benefits and housing.
The care is here for everyone, they just need to be educated on how to receive it.
As I have said before, it may help for some to watch the documentary, "Sick Around the World." It may enlighten some.
But I guess it should be okay for the government to have more control over our health, I know they have our best interests at heart and they do do so well financially in all of the other areas, not to mention there great use of health care resources thus far. They know what's best for me and my family-much more than I do, and I know if one of my children were to get ill, they would treat them fairly (rolling my eyes).
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Aug 19, 2009, 08:57 PM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine
I just don't get it. St. Judes & the Miracle Network are 170+ hospitals strong. http://www.childrensmiraclenetwork.org/
Shriners http://www.shrinershq.org/
California hospitals have to offer free care, it's the law..... http://www.venturacountystar.com/new...hospital-care/
I googled several combination's "free hospital care" "hospitals offer free care"
ect...ect...ect...
Got thousands of hits.
So, what have we learned here?
1. The # of people without insurance reported in the media is Bo-gus.
2. Millions of people who qualify for govt. assistance, for whatever the reason haven't signed up. If the govt. can even distribute the available funds in these programs, are we supposed to believe.............nah.
3. Our government runs through money like toilet paper at a diarrhea convention. Butt, we knew that....  (yes, I threw a butt joke in there, just making sure you were paying attention).
4. Medicare & social security will be broke when the boomers hit 65. I know that's not news....still though, you have to consider the track record. The best predictor of the future is the past.
5. If you run the numbers, this plan is not sustainable. Hawaii proved that in 2006.
Personally, I'd like to see something reasonable in tort reform & simplify billing, ICD9 is a nightmare that costs EVERY TAX PAYING CITIZEN a fortune.
When Vioxx went on trial people that could not prove damages.....heck, people who never even took the drug.... filed hoping to hop on the gravy train. (They should be fined & thrown in jail IMHO).
Read some of the pharma blogs, not the marketing side, read drug development blogs.
80% of the life saving drugs developed in the world come from right here in the USA.
While I dislike their presence in Washington (shame on you Obama, you promised to keep them out, but you are up to your elbows in their pockets...and those are some DEEP pockets).
If we strangle pharma, we strangle ourselves (that's the way it is, you don't have to like it).
I'm through ranting now.....return to your regular viewing......
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Aug 20, 2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine Originally Posted by K98 Funny, the Croat and the German that work with me left Europe for the USA for that very reason...
Funny- I didn't.
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Aug 20, 2009, 07:40 PM
Re: Socialism Is the Best Medicine (comments in turquoise are from LT) Originally Posted by herring_RN Americans wait longer to see primary-care physicians than patients in Canada, Britain, Germany, Australia, or New Zealand—all countries with strong public-health systems. Nearly one quarter of Americans reported waiting six days or more for an appointment with their doctor. New Zealand scored best, with just 3 percent waiting that long, followed by Australia (10 percent), Germany (13 percent), and Britain (15 percent). Who did the poll, and how many opinions were polled? Canada rounded out the bottom, with more than a third waiting six days or more. Again, how many were polled, and where were they? Sounds like a rural area! Similarly, America shares with its northern neighbor the dubious honor of being ranked last in terms of patients' ability to make same-day appointments. Those who I know in Canada, get next day appointments when their need is appropraite), unless of course, they request one at 7pm Only 26 percent of Americans and Canadians reported being able see their doctor on the day they called, compared with 60 percent in the Netherlands and 48 percent in Britain…. It's important to be assertive (not aggressive) when calling for an appointment, when the telephone answerer seems not to recognise urgency when they hear it! http://www.newsweek.com/id/212152 Polls are only as good as the source of them planned it to be. Most times fewer than 100 people are questioned, and their coaching leads to misleading answers! Sensationalist rags like Newsweek want their products to sell, so I'd believe it if it was a direct and approved quote from a scientific organisation, only. | | 276 members
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