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No. 10
Old Aug 18, 2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zap LPN View Post
That's why we have ER's and walk in clinics... NP's in grocery stores... all of this to improve patient care. No need to go socialist, where after they are rapidly seen by their primary care provider, they die waiting to see a specialist...

That is very inaccurate. I work in the Canadian health care system and people do not die waiting while waiting to see specialists.
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No. 11
from Zap LPN
Old Aug 18, 2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nicurn001 View Post
Wheras here they die waiting or fighting for authorization from there insurance company , or simply die because they have no insurance !
Either way they are dead... Lets spend 3 trillion a year and get the same old results... Great Plan!!! Sign me up... not!!!
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No. 12
from Zap LPN
Old Aug 18, 2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by loriangel14 View Post
That is very inaccurate. I work in the Canadian health care system and people do not die waiting while waiting to see specialists.
Sure they don't.... they go to the U.S. to be treated, as anyone who works in healthcare along the northern border states can attest...
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No. 13
Old Aug 18, 2009, 05:49 PM

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I beg to differ. I worked for a doctor that moved here from Canada, he left because of inadequate diagnostic equipment & wait times that placed his patients at risk. He told me of a patient he sent to the ER one afternoon, then 2 days later he passed through the ER on his way to another facility & found his patient still sitting dutifully in the ER, 48 hours later.
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No. 14
Old Aug 18, 2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ozoneranger View Post
I beg to differ. I worked for a doctor that moved here from Canada, he left because of inadequate diagnostic equipment & wait times that placed his patients at risk. He told me of a patient he sent to the ER one afternoon, then 2 days later he passed through the ER on his way to another facility & found his patient still sitting dutifully in the ER, 48 hours later.
In Canada?
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No. 15
Old Aug 18, 2009, 07:32 PM

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Yes, in Canada. We had 6 doctors in the group, all from Canada. The doctor I worked for is also married to a doctor (different specialty). They were Canadian born & raised, loved their country, but were very critical of their health care system.
When he told me that private insurance had been made illegal to prevent patients from circumventing the system, I was blown away.
His wife told me about the mother of one of her patients, she needed a MRI of the brain, they suspected a tumor, but every time she went for her scheduled visit, an emergency usurped her & she was rescheduled. In the mean time, her cat came down with leukemia, had a CT, was treated & cured. By the time her mother got her MRI, it was too late, she died of brain cancer & the daughter inherited the cat.
This was back in 1998.
Now I read that Canada is looking into private insurance......
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No. 16
Old Aug 18, 2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
Americans wait longer to see primary-care physicians than patients in Britain, Germany, Australia, or New Zealand—all countries with strong public-health systems.

Nearly one quarter of Americans reported waiting six days or more for an appointment with their doctor. New Zealand scored best, with just 3 percent waiting that long, followed by Australia (10 percent), Germany (13 percent), and Britain (15 percent).

Canada rounded out the bottom, with more than a third waiting six days or more. Similarly, America shares with its northern neighbor the dubious honor of being ranked last in terms of patients' ability to make same-day appointments.

Only 26 percent of Americans and Canadians reported being able see their doctor on the day they called, compared with 60 percent in the Netherlands and 48 percent in Britain….

http://www.newsweek.com/id/212152
How is waiting to see a doctor related to socialized medicine. Will socialized medicine produce more doctors? Is that the plan?
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No. 17
Old Aug 18, 2009, 09:03 PM
Updated Aug 18, 2009 at 09:04 PM by Onekidneynurse

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Originally Posted by ozoneranger View Post
Yes, in Canada. We had 6 doctors in the group, all from Canada. The doctor I worked for is also married to a doctor (different specialty). They were Canadian born & raised, loved their country, but were very critical of their health care system.
When he told me that private insurance had been made illegal to prevent patients from circumventing the system, I was blown away.
His wife told me about the mother of one of her patients, she needed a MRI of the brain, they suspected a tumor, but every time she went for her scheduled visit, an emergency usurped her & she was rescheduled. In the mean time, her cat came down with leukemia, had a CT, was treated & cured. By the time her mother got her MRI, it was too late, she died of brain cancer & the daughter inherited the cat.
This was back in 1998.
Now I read that Canada is looking into private insurance......
My post was sarcasm. Did you notice the Oh and how is it Americans have the money to pay for pets healthcare. My son paid $900 for knee surgery on his Yorkie.
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No. 18
Old Aug 18, 2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Onekidneynurse View Post
My post was sarcasm. Did you notice the Oh and how is it Americans have the money to pay for pets healthcare. My son paid $900 for knee surgery on his Yorkie.
Oops, my sarcasm detector is on the fritz. I gotta get that checked. Before I spend my own money on it, I'll look into the new health care bill for provisions to have it repaired. Everything else not pertaining to health care is in there, maybe they'll fix it too.
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No. 19
from GrumpyRN63
Old Aug 18, 2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
what if a woman comes to the ER with a lump in her breast?
she shouldn't be going to the ER, that's the problem, people using the ER for primary care
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