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No. 10
from JoPACURN
Old Jul 27, 2009, 10:59 AM
Updated Jul 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM by JoPACURN

Default Re: PBS Frontline documentary on our current healthcare system. Discuss.
Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
Oh and BTW, I do think if more people were in therapy, nothing bad could come of it. Especially our political leaders. Think of it - how would history be different if Hitler or Stalin were in therapy? What if the leader of every country right now were in therapy?

I'll go out on a limb here and predict that we may have world peace - even if for just a moment.
Ah, and that is where we differ; Stalin and Hitler were, in my opine, inherently evil and not fixable--hence someone we couldn't control. Fix them? Just like the mini Iranian prez who wants to make nukes? Really? Change him? I don't think it's going to work. They are what they are; can't change them, can't control them. Have to deal with them the way they are...oh, wait, does that mean I am not a control freak? Hm.....Yeah, I think they call that acceptance of reality.

Tell you what; let's fix OUR leaders why voting them in or out. How about the leaders really think about the people and not how to get themselves re-elected? How about they just do the job they are suppose to do and not get their backs scratched by lobbyists? Seems very common sense to me---and oh, maybe, no therapy needed. Not against therapy. Just the damn common sense in me. Can't seem to get rid of it.
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No. 11
from JoPACURN
Old Jul 27, 2009, 11:05 AM

Default Re: PBS Frontline documentary on our current healthcare system. Discuss.
Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
You're explanation of your beliefs confirms my analysis. You believe that you can control most everything in your life. That which you can't control, is in the hands of ultimate control - that of a supernatural power. Thus, even in this case, it pre-empts the potential anxiety you may feel because ultimately it is as you say in a "higher power's" control. You also hope that this higher power also has your best interest in mind and thus, nothing bad will happen.

I can understand why this idea of control in one sense or another is comforting. Facing the reality of the ultimate lack of choice and in the face of chaos causes real existential anxiety. I am not saying this at all to be malign you in any way. I can very much empathize and feel that many people can also at some point in their life. I am just commenting on how these anxieties can affect one's world paradigm and in turn, one's political belief.
You don't get it, do you? I don't control everything in my life--that's why I can cope. You see, I can't change the world--I know that. I don't try and change anything I cannot--i.e. people's attitudes, doctors who are asses, sick people who project their anger on me. I know my limits, boundaries. Things I cannot explain? I leave to a higher power--the universe, if you spiritualists would so prefer...
You are so wrong...hehe....nothing bad will happen? Hm...maybe you can explain why one of my bestest friends killed himself last week? Or why my post-knee patient died from an elective surgery? Nothing bad will happen? Are we in the same world? Bad things happen to good people; know that, been there, done that. The difference is that I can cope and not need medication. They call that a "good support system."

As a Gen-Xer I am very, very skeptical of things. I don't believe what is told to me, I need to see it for myself. As far as this health care reform, I need to read the bill, see the mandates. That's all. Not anti, not pro. I am in the middle. When I assisted with Operation Smiles, I gave of myself. Great thing to do. People with no money, no insurance, and the benefits were just unbelievable. Yeah, can you believe the private sector can give of itself? Wow. No government to enforce that. Wow.

Why would that be so wrong? Haha. You think you know how I think. Nope, sorry. wrong again. Keep going; Maybe you will get it right eventually.
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No. 12
from JoPACURN
Old Jul 27, 2009, 11:46 AM

Default Re: PBS Frontline documentary on our current healthcare system. Discuss.
Another thing, and I would like a straight answer.

Does anyone ANYWHERE know what is in this bill? Does anyone, anywhere have any of it?
It would be good if someone could post it.

I also mean to add to all of this who are so pro-a-health-bill-they-haven't seen...do you guys sign contracts this way? Just accept it and don't read the fine print?

Really--for a house, a car, is that the way you all do business?

I'm just thinking --not a good thing, people.
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No. 13
from elkpark
Old Jul 27, 2009, 12:25 PM

Default Re: PBS Frontline documentary on our current healthcare system. Discuss.
Originally Posted by JoPACURN View Post
Another thing, and I would like a straight answer.

Does anyone ANYWHERE know what is in this bill? Does anyone, anywhere have any of it?
It would be good if someone could post it.

I also mean to add to all of this who are so pro-a-health-bill-they-haven't seen...do you guys sign contracts this way? Just accept it and don't read the fine print?

Really--for a house, a car, is that the way you all do business?

I'm just thinking --not a good thing, people.
Here's a straight answer -- there isn't "A" bill yet. Several different committees in the House and Senate are working on proposals. Those will eventually have to be combined/reconciled into a single bill in the House and a single bill in the Senate. If the House and Senate each pass their final bills, a "mark-up" committee will have to combine and reconcile the two bills into a single, final bill to be passed on to the President for signing.

That's how all US legislation works. It's no secret, and it's v. easy to keep track in the news (of any stripe) of how the process is coming along.
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No. 14
Old Jul 27, 2009, 02:04 PM

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What a great documentary...very interesting and informative! I am fortunate that I live in Canada and when my husband was going through cancer treatment we didn't have the added pressure of bills piling up and whether or not we'd lose our house. I wouldn't trade our healthcare system for anything.
Thank you for posting this video!
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