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No. 20
from CRNA2007
Old Jun 11, 2009, 05:11 PM

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Wouldn't their time be better served getting a job instead of demanding handouts and freebies?



Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
Thousands plan to be in the streets all summer in support os a single payer system:
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No. 21
from herring_RN
Old Jun 11, 2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CRNA2007 View Post
Wouldn't their time be better served getting a job instead of demanding handouts and freebies?
Silly, people with jobs use the streets too.
Direct care RNs who have jobs plan to be in the streets on their vacation and days off.

As we have been doing for years. Many nurses are social activists. Nurses lead the struggle for womens vote




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No. 22
from CRNA2007
Old Jun 12, 2009, 01:44 AM

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Looks like typical left wing union activity to me.



Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
Silly, people with jobs use the streets too.
Direct care RNs who have jobs plan to be in the streets on their vacation and days off.

As we have been doing for years. Many nurses are social activists. Nurses lead the struggle for womens vote




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No. 23
Old Jun 12, 2009, 03:32 AM

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[quote=funnypharm;3659558]Looks like we will be getting that 25% VAT (value added tax) sooner than we thought. Every time a commodity moves it will be taxed. The problem is that Countries that have a VAT don't have the IRS. Also, they do not have 30% of their country with or close to Metabolic Syndrome aka Obese. We will be crushed by this. We are not the Skinny Swiss or the super healthy Japanese. We will need at least a 25% VAT just to touch this.

Nurses will also take an estimated 25% pay cut as well. (You do the math)

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You are wrong on your first point. Countries with a VAT do have something very similar to the IRS. And yes, we will have to pay for this somehow.
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No. 24
from CRNA2007
Old Jun 12, 2009, 10:23 AM

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We have to pay for this somehow? I'll tell you how it's going to be paid for on the backs of your kids and grand kids does that make you sleep better at night?



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Originally Posted by funnypharm View Post
Looks like we will be getting that 25% VAT (value added tax) sooner than we thought. Every time a commodity moves it will be taxed. The problem is that Countries that have a VAT don't have the IRS. Also, they do not have 30% of their country with or close to Metabolic Syndrome aka Obese. We will be crushed by this. We are not the Skinny Swiss or the super healthy Japanese. We will need at least a 25% VAT just to touch this.

Nurses will also take an estimated 25% pay cut as well. (You do the math)

quote]

You are wrong on your first point. Countries with a VAT do have something very similar to the IRS. And yes, we will have to pay for this somehow.
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No. 25
Old Jun 12, 2009, 11:38 AM
Updated Jun 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM by hillarypeace2006

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[quote=CRNA2007;3680615]We have to pay for this somehow? I'll tell you how it's going to be paid for on the backs of your kids and grand kids does that make you sleep better at night?

Thats ok with me. Im fine with the taxation especially if we get a public health option. Nurses need to be the front runners on shaping this policy instead of B&M'in. We could carve a unique role in this system as promoters of wellness. I am so into wellness and it's the key to a healthy society and it does cos..certainly not more than is being stuck to us in our now super-padded cost, do I want to finance something that does not result in death and destruction of another nation state-absofreekinlutely!
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No. 26
Old Jun 13, 2009, 03:15 PM

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I dont understand the horror tales I hear about socialized medicine?? Is it just a boogey man the drug companies and other capitalistic brats have fed us?? I'm sort of ignorant. I have a few friends that live abroad and they say its wonderful. They have never waited a day to be seen in ER or waited months to see a Dr. I don't know where all this comes from?? Medication is cheap, seeing a Dr is free or very cheap, and no one is told "No, we can't do this because your insurance wont cover unless u can come up with $10,000 upfront"

Nurses do make less. In france an RN makes about $15/hr. Germany compares to the US and Canada is slightly less but compares also. If you take into account that you don't have to pay $200 q 2 weeks for a family of 3 to get health insurance It seems WORTH IT!!!

I would like to understand more....If I have it all wrong please enlighten me. If there is a better way let me know. I'll work my rear off on this end to educate people further.

Most of the nurses I work with here in the biblebelt still believe Obama is the second coming of satan, the antichrist and believed GW Bush was Christ incarnate???? ***
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No. 27
Old Jun 13, 2009, 03:24 PM

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some people on here have obviously never had a sick child on chemo and been unable to work because the baby was so sick and dying that you can't tear yourself away for 5 minutes to GET A FREAKIN JOB.

Or had Cancer and been unable to work and been so sick that work was actually impossible, but shame on them for clinging to every moment of precious life and trying to get treatment wherever possible.

GOD FORBID these people ever have to endure being uninsured or underinsured and get truley ill....

What do you think happens to us hard working people that get sick and can't work??? Most of us don't have a $1mill in the bank to afford this countries healthcare costs. Should we just give up and resign to die because "we aren't useful members of society".

Yes there will be leeches on society---there are now!!!! They wont change!! But what about the people i mentioned above???? Our patients, our children, our moms, dads, & ourselves!!! If we don't work to get them cared for --who will?
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No. 28
from herring_RN
Old Jun 13, 2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by c_beshore_rn View Post
some people on here have obviously never had a sick child on chemo and been unable to work because the baby was so sick and dying that you can't tear yourself away for 5 minutes to GET A FREAKIN JOB.

Or had Cancer and been unable to work and been so sick that work was actually impossible, but shame on them for clinging to every moment of precious life and trying to get treatment wherever possible.

GOD FORBID these people ever have to endure being uninsured or underinsured and get truley ill....

What do you think happens to us hard working people that get sick and can't work??? Most of us don't have a $1mill in the bank to afford this countries healthcare costs. Should we just give up and resign to die because "we aren't useful members of society".

Yes there will be leeches on society---there are now!!!! They wont change!! But what about the people i mentioned above???? Our patients, our children, our moms, dads, & ourselves!!! If we don't work to get them cared for --who will?
Your frustration is justified.
This is why tens of thousands of nurses,physicians, and people who believe that no American should be denied needed healthcare will be in the streets.
We have to try.
My conscience will not let me ignore opportunities to improve healthcare in my beloved country.

We are trying to let the President understand that YES...We CAN!
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No. 29
Old Jun 13, 2009, 04:34 PM

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[quote=CRNA2007;3680615]We have to pay for this somehow? I'll tell you how it's going to be paid for on the backs of your kids and grand kids does that make you sleep better at night?

And I suppose the existence of millions of WORKING Americans who can't afford insurance makes you sleep better at night...........?
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