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No. 90
from GCTMT
Old Jul 16, 2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dandalora1 View Post

Meanwhile, the proof will be in the pudding. You think you are under paid now? Fasten your seatbelts!
That assertion is baseless and void of reality. Canadian Nurses make pretty much the same as we do. I see no viable reason to suspect that nurses will take a pay cut.
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No. 91
from wowza
Old Jul 16, 2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GCTMT View Post
That assertion is baseless and void of reality. Canadian Nurses make pretty much the same as we do. I see no viable reason to suspect that nurses will take a pay cut.
Well doctors and hospitals will take a major pay cut so that will trickle down to nurses too.

When a doc or hospital gets reimbursed 20%, do you think that is coming solely out of their pocket? I dont think so. So, at least per hour rates will go down.
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No. 92
Old Jul 16, 2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wowza View Post
Well doctors and hospitals will take a major pay cut so that will trickle down to nurses too.

When a doc or hospital gets reimbursed 20%, do you think that is coming solely out of their pocket? I dont think so. So, at least per hour rates will go down.
With proper lobbying form nursing organizations, instead of worrying about getting 30-40 bucks per hour they could be championing for 60-70, why? If there is to be an overall cost reduction, wellness has to be a component of this plan. When most medical students are opting to specialize, the shortage in GP's will have to be filled by someone. Nurses could write the ending of this story if they so choose!
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No. 93
from K98
Old Jul 17, 2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hillarypeace2006 View Post
With proper lobbying form nursing organizations, instead of worrying about getting 30-40 bucks per hour they could be championing for 60-70, why? If there is to be an overall cost reduction, wellness has to be a component of this plan. When most medical students are opting to specialize, the shortage in GP's will have to be filled by someone. Nurses could write the ending of this story if they so choose!
You will find another thread under Social and Health Care Coverage Activism decrying any lobbying on health care issues. Nurses could write the ending of this story, but nurses are every bit as divided as the rest of the country.
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No. 94
Old Jul 17, 2009, 09:27 PM

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Please call your Rep & Senators to let them know they need to SLOW DOWN and get it right. What is at jeopardy is one of the best health care systems in the world. Chicago-style politics are being used to strong-arm this through before the public realizes the shortfalls. What are the issues? It does not reduce health care costs, it does not address current Medicare/-aid waste & fraud, it disallows future enrollment in a private plan, it mandates insurance, it does not address the excess cost due to illegals, it allows taxpayer funding for abortion, it does not address misuse or overuse of the health care system, and it includes excess UNION control. Check out Subtitle D of the House bill. It creates a 'Pipeline to nursing' which alters the career ladder to nursing, and includes training programs that would be jointly administered by the Health Care provider AND LABOR ORGANIZATIONS. It establishes a Health Advisory Board, of which 1 of 5 representatives must be a labor UNION representative. (Payback for the SEIU, maybe??).
WAKE UP, NURSES -- AND CALL YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!! The ANA sold us out!
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No. 95
from CRNA2007
Old Jul 18, 2009, 08:06 AM

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Making the same money per hour and the same take home are two very different things if you are taxed at a higher rate then you will see less.



Originally Posted by GCTMT View Post
That assertion is baseless and void of reality. Canadian Nurses make pretty much the same as we do. I see no viable reason to suspect that nurses will take a pay cut.
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No. 96
from wowza
Old Jul 19, 2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hillarypeace2006 View Post
With proper lobbying form nursing organizations, instead of worrying about getting 30-40 bucks per hour they could be championing for 60-70, why? If there is to be an overall cost reduction, wellness has to be a component of this plan. When most medical students are opting to specialize, the shortage in GP's will have to be filled by someone. Nurses could write the ending of this story if they so choose!
Huh?? And where would that money come from? If payment for service will decrease, everyone will get hit.

If you are saying that RNs would deliver primary care, how would you get around that pesky gap in knowledge needed to practice medicine or the certification by the state board of medicine? Lobby all you want but i doubt the legislature is going to be too wacky about allowing normal nurses (ie no advanced degrees) to deliver primary care.
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No. 97
from wowza
Old Jul 19, 2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WORKINGWOMANINTN View Post
Please call your Rep & Senators to let them know they need to SLOW DOWN and get it right. What is at jeopardy is one of the best health care systems in the world. Chicago-style politics are being used to strong-arm this through before the public realizes the shortfalls. What are the issues? It does not reduce health care costs, it does not address current Medicare/-aid waste & fraud, it disallows future enrollment in a private plan, it mandates insurance, it does not address the excess cost due to illegals, it allows taxpayer funding for abortion, it does not address misuse or overuse of the health care system, and it includes excess UNION control. Check out Subtitle D of the House bill. It creates a 'Pipeline to nursing' which alters the career ladder to nursing, and includes training programs that would be jointly administered by the Health Care provider AND LABOR ORGANIZATIONS. It establishes a Health Advisory Board, of which 1 of 5 representatives must be a labor UNION representative. (Payback for the SEIU, maybe??).
WAKE UP, NURSES -- AND CALL YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!! The ANA sold us out!

And it lets you know that despite all the rhetoric, it was never about improving health care or reducing waste. It was about pushing through a national health care system.
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No. 98
from dandalora1
Old Jul 19, 2009, 10:13 AM

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That's it in a nut shell.

This is only the tip of the iceberg to the devastation of the heavy arm, socialistic, hastily pushed "change" we will be seeing!
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No. 99
from CRNA2007
Old Jul 20, 2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
Or at least the best Congress can do.

That's why it's doomed to be just like any other government program.
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