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No. 30
Old May 23, 2009, 07:28 AM

Default Re: Obama's Health Care plan. Is it a stepping stone to H.R 676, or a road to nowhere
Originally Posted by hillarypeace2006 View Post
Back to reality, we most likely will not have a single payor system, so in actuality to compare the systems of most Western European countries is not all that helpful. With the powerful lobby from th AMA and insurers we will most likely get a very watered down version of uhc which would actually be more messy than a straight single payor option.
When it comes to 'reality,' I am constantly injecting it into the discussion when folks routinely use the pointless distraction of using the European/Canadian comparison.

You are right...it's not "helpful," so why do socialized advocates keep doing it?
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No. 31
from UKRNinUSA
Old May 23, 2009, 10:30 AM

Default Re: Obama's Health Care plan. Is it a stepping stone to H.R 676, or a road to nowhere
I suspect that Obama's healthcare plan is a stepping stone to HR 676. I believe he is subscribing to the "let the market decide" principal (however we now hear the insurance companies whining "but how can we possibly compete with a publicly funded program?")

I watched Bill Moyer's PBS show last night that discussed the single payor effort
here's the link
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/watch.html

After watching the show, I agree with RN4MERCY -we have to reform the campaign finance system before we can get true healthcare reform. When we have healthcare lobbyists spending $500 million dollars on influencing legislation rather than on providing healthcare, there is something very wrong. And who knows these politicians might actually get something useful done instead of having to raise funds to buy their next term in office.

BTW -people routinely use the European/Canadian system comparison to show that, yes it can be done. Take away their publicly funded healthcare programs and substitute them with the US system and there would be full scale rioting in the streets.
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No. 32
from Agrippa
Old May 23, 2009, 10:57 AM

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One things for sure - you can't get any worse than our current state of affairs.
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No. 33
from Agrippa
Old May 23, 2009, 11:12 AM

Default Re: Obama's Health Care plan. Is it a stepping stone to H.R 676, or a road to nowhere
With President Obama and congressional leaders vowing to pass a health reform bill by the end of the year, a prominent Harvard-based health policy analyst warned a House subcommittee Thursday that the leading incremental models for reform, including those patterned after the Massachusetts plan, are incapable of containing skyrocketing health care costs or providing quality, affordable care to all.

A single-payer reform would make care affordable through vast savings on bureaucracy and profits," Himmelstein said in his statement. "As my colleagues and I have shown in research published in the New England Journal of Medicine, administration consumes 31 percent of health spending in the U.S., nearly double what Canada spends. In other words, if we cut our bureaucratic costs to Canadian levels, we'd save nearly $400 billion annually - more than enough to cover the uninsured and to eliminate co-payments and deductibles for all Americans."

A national health insurance program would slash the enormous paperwork burden on hospitals, doctors and patients, Himmelstein said, resulting in hundreds of billions in savings that could be redirected to patient care.

Half-measures like those proposed by the Obama administration and key lawmakers like Senators Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), many of which mirror aspects of the Massachusetts reform of 2006, can't match the savings of a streamlined, publicly financed system, he said.

Even if a "public plan option" emerges as part of the House and Senate reform bills, Himmelstein said, it won't be sufficient to challenge the inefficiencies and wastefulness of a multi-payer system: "A health reform plan that includes a public plan option might realize some savings on insurance overhead. However, as long as multiple private plans coexist with the public plan, hospitals and doctors would have to maintain their costly billing and internal cost tracking apparatus. Indeed, my colleagues and I estimate that even if half of all privately insured Americans switched to a public plan with overhead at Medicare's level, the administrative savings would amount to only 9 percent of the savings under single payer."

Citing his direct experience with the Massachusetts plan, which is facing critical financial problems, Himmelstein commented: "Prevention, disease management, computers and a health insurance exchange were supposed to make reform affordable. Instead, costs have skyrocketed, rising 23 percent between 2005 and 2007, and the insurance exchange adds 4 percent for its own administrative costs on top of the already high overhead charged by private insurers. As a result, 1 in 5 Massachusetts residents went without care last year because they couldn't afford it. Hundreds of thousands remain uninsured, and the state has drained money from safety-net hospitals and clinics to keep the reform afloat."

While the conventional wisdom in Washington is that single-payer national health insurance is "not feasible" and therefore "off the table," public opinion polls have shown solid majorities continue to support such an approach. In a survey published by the Annals of Internal Medicine a year ago, 59 percent of U.S. physicians said they favored government action to establish a national health insurance program, a 10-percentage-point leap from only five years prior.
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/april/...of_david_u.php

I can see the naysayer's reply now..."hes from Harvard...hes an elitist! You can't believe him! I'm not even going to dignify him by responding to his data! So there. You're wrong. I don't believe you. Socialist hippie."
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No. 34
from UKRNinUSA
Old May 23, 2009, 11:42 AM
Updated May 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM by UKRNinUSA

Default Re: Obama's Health Care plan. Is it a stepping stone to H.R 676, or a road to nowhere
Better to be an educated, informed, socialist hippie with empathy for the common man's plight than a victim of brainwashing by greedy fatcats intent on furthering their personal agenda of acquiring as much wealth and power as they can at the expense of the rest of us.

But that's just me -peace and love to y'all (greedy fatcats and their victims included)

p.s. Isn't empathy for the common man's plight the reason why we all went into nursing in the first place ?
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