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No. 10
Old Oct 31, 2007, 10:41 PM

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Single payer is not socialized medicine. Read up on the site linked above.
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No. 11
from hope3456
Old Oct 31, 2007, 11:12 PM

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Okay - so we would pay higher taxes if we had a 'single payor' system - but then would we not have none (or lesser) insurance premiums? It seems to me the costs would balance themselves out.

The problem I have with the current system is that is it is just not fair in many different aspects. For example, people who are self employed or employed by a small business have to pay higher rates for less coverage than employees of large corporations b/c the 'big guys' have more negotiating power and negotiate better rates with the insurance companies.

with a national system, everyone would have to contribute, which is only fair b/c no one wants to be turned away (and not many are) for needed health care for lack of ability to pay.
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No. 12
from leslymill
Old Nov 01, 2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CRNA2007 View Post
equal to or less than their insurance premium of course. I can guarantee people who make 100,000 or more a year are going to be paying more than their insurance premiums. Would you pay another 300/month on top of the $1000 you already pay for health insurance plus your current premium? This idea that government run health care is going to be some great win win idea is totally bogus. They already have a great Ponzi scheme going in social insecurity.

Your right they are too selfish and don't care if some people can't make a desent living. It is just more important that they live high on the hog.
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No. 13
Old Nov 01, 2007, 06:56 AM

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The claim that universal care would add 300/month to the cost of health insurance for families was a misstatement that ran against responsible and affordable proposals. We are paying an additional 30% per month for our health care because of administrative costs and profit attached to private plans. Assuming that we could deliver medicare for all at a 5% administrative cost that leaves 250 dollars per month that should be used to bring about universal coverage.

Taking cheap shots against lower income people is vitriolic and I stand by my position that that behavior is objectionable.
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No. 14
from Jolie
Old Nov 01, 2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CRNA2007 View Post
equal to or less than their insurance premium of course. I can guarantee people who make 100,000 or more a year are going to be paying more than their insurance premiums. Would you pay another 300/month on top of the $1000 you already pay for health insurance plus your current premium? This idea that government run health care is going to be some great win win idea is totally bogus. They already have a great Ponzi scheme going in social insecurity.
Viking, Where, exactly is the "cheap shot against lower income people" that you find so "vitriolic...and objectionable"?
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No. 15
Old Nov 01, 2007, 07:37 AM

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It was in other posts within similar threads. This was an expression of general frustration with other posts.....
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No. 16
from leslymill
Old Nov 01, 2007, 08:14 AM

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It is not taking cheap shots. It is ignoring them completely and totally. There are two sides. We have to look at effects of cost I understand. That statement by itself does tend to have people think it is a bit selfish when confronted with the big picture.
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No. 17
from heartrn35
Old Nov 01, 2007, 08:51 AM

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You can put any spin on it you would like, or more truthfully you can put any label on it you would like. The truth is the gov't would control the purse strings. Not directly but indirectly. When the gov't says there can only be "X" number of medical centers that perform "said" procedure, because they found that only those that perform it frequently are any good at it. This means that only a certain number of those procedures can be performed. This is the basic idea behind Canada's system. The more I read of your post the funnier you become "The govenrment does not own or manage their medical practices or hospitals." "Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds." I'm sure that the gov't wouldn't dangle the carrot to direct those "private practices" in the direction that they dictate as appropriate. Atleast when managed care started to do this practitioners were able to choose not to accept that insurance, with SOCIALIZED MEDICINE there will be no alternative. You either do it the gov't way or those gov't funds will stop.And the part about socialied medicine conjuring up images of gov't bureaucratic interference. I would love to hear of once small sector where the gov't came in and changed control from the private sector to gov't control where that sector was better off and the cost did not climb (without gov't dumping a bunch of outside money into it).Do a little reserch, just google: Canada, medical waiting list. I'm sure there are some stories that are false but in doing my own research paper I found documented cases of people with 90% left main lesions that had to go home and wait 2 weeks to a couple of months for thier bypass surgery. That is the one we call the "widow maker" the one they don't even wait till the next day to perform.
Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
See:

Is national health insurance “socialized medicine”?

No. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for the government and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. Examples also exist in Great Britain and Spain. But in most European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan they have socialized financing, or socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage their medical practices or hospitals.
The term socialized medicine is often used to conjure images of government bureaucratic interference in medical care. That does not describe what happens in countries with national health insurance. It does describe the interference by insurance company bureaucrats in our health system.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...php#socialized
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from CRNA2007
Old Nov 01, 2007, 03:08 PM

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what costs the consumer more? Profit to insurance companies? Or waste, fraud, and abuse by the Federal Governement. Need we be reminded of the $600 hammer or the $900 toilet seat? What cheap shots are you referring too? Or is that one of the left's typical diversionary tactics when you cannot stand by your ideas with facts?

Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
The claim that universal care would add 300/month to the cost of health insurance for families was a misstatement that ran against responsible and affordable proposals. We are paying an additional 30% per month for our health care because of administrative costs and profit attached to private plans. Assuming that we could deliver medicare for all at a 5% administrative cost that leaves 250 dollars per month that should be used to bring about universal coverage.

Taking cheap shots against lower income people is vitriolic and I stand by my position that that behavior is objectionable.
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No. 19
from Alois Wolf
Old Nov 01, 2007, 03:30 PM

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I'd rather pay slightly higher taxes for National Universal Health Care than what I'm paying right now for Aetna HMO.
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