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May 11, 2009, 10:53 AM
 Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by SuesquatchRN  The big fear, IMO, is of rationing, that certain people won't be able to have procedures done/care performed because of lack of funds.
This is a valid concern, but as has been pointed out, private insurers already heavily ration care, especially given that they are motivated by making a profit.
The whole fear of "socialized" medicine is one of the most irrational and ridiculous things I have ever seen as an American, and makes me truly ashamed of the fear-mongering that takes place in this country.
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May 11, 2009, 12:16 PM
Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi This is a valid concern, but as has been pointed out, private insurers already heavily ration care, especially given that they are motivated by making a profit.
The whole fear of "socialized" medicine is one of the most irrational and ridiculous things I have ever seen as an American, and makes me truly ashamed of the fear-mongering that takes place in this country.
The fear is over the potential waiting lists that may come from universal health care. It's a very real possibility as it has happened in Canada and Britain, however we can't be certain if it will in fact happen in America. We can only wait until it comes to fruition to find out. IMHO, with the general shortage of health care staff, it will happen.
The second fear may or may not happen. Will there be an option to purchase private insurance for private health care. If not, it seems unjust to limit one's ability to receive better and/or quicker health care when they have the willingness to pay for it. If it is allowed, those that will pay for private insurance will also be paying for the universal care, and no one likes paying twice for the same thing.
I resent your leftist coined term of "fear-mongering." It a legitimate fear. The true outcome of universal health care in America will just have to be seen firsthand.  | | No. 12 |
May 11, 2009, 01:05 PM
Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by Future-nurse http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30672330/
As I was reading the article I came across the following line...
"And hospitals and doctors are concerned THE GOVERNMENT COULD DICTATE WHAT THEY GET PAID to care for any patient, not only the elderly and the poor."
I would appreciate the expertise of your opinions on the matter since I'm a newbie but it seems like eventually hospital budgets could get squeezed to the point where they have to lower everyone's salaries (including nurses).
I looked through some previous threads on universal healthcare but it just seems like whoever actually asks the question of "will universal healthcare drive nursing salaries down?" just seems to get flame'd into submission to not even think about it.
Thank you for your help.
One of the last things I want to see is doctors being salaried. I think having salaried doctors would be a real bad thing. I don't have time to elaborate on the reasons right now.
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May 11, 2009, 01:43 PM
Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by markuskristian The fear is over the potential waiting lists that may come from universal health care. It's a very real possibility as it has happened in Canada and Britain, however we can't be certain if it will in fact happen in America. We can only wait until it comes to fruition to find out. IMHO, with the general shortage of health care staff, it will happen.
The second fear may or may not happen. Will there be an option to purchase private insurance for private health care. If not, it seems unjust to limit one's ability to receive better and/or quicker health care when they have the willingness to pay for it. If it is allowed, those that will pay for private insurance will also be paying for the universal care, and no one likes paying twice for the same thing.
I resent your leftist coined term of "fear-mongering." It a legitimate fear. The true outcome of universal health care in America will just have to be seen firsthand.
Yes, you might have to wait for some things longer than you do now. So what? We already have people dropping dead in the emergency room all over the country. For most NON ESSENTIAL SERVICES, a little wait isn't going to kill anyone. I know we are used to getting immediate treatment every single time our little tummy hurts, but this has spoiled us, and as a result we pay exponentially more for health care, and get LESS than every other country.
Learn to set some priorities. Getting care RIGHT NOW when it can wait 3 days isn't a big priority on my list. Neither, as Sue said, is spending a ridiculous amount of money on heroic, wasteful end-of-life measures that do no good.
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May 11, 2009, 02:54 PM
Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by FairyCari I am a libertarian, I do not see health care as a 'right'.
Y'know, I don't, either, but I also clothe, feed and nurture some neighbor kids whose parents are a little, well, negligent, and now have SIX cats because another stray found our back door and food.
It's not a matter of whether it's a "right." It isn't. However, I will never be able to understand how someone with a compassionate heart can see another person suffer or do without and not want to help, even if that person may have contributed to his own lousy status in life.
Each other. We're all we've got.
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May 11, 2009, 09:06 PM
Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by classicdame one of the reasons Americans are leery of universal healthcare is the fear of "big government". We like to have some independence and choice.
The problem is that we DO NOT have any choice in the current situation, corporate heads and insurance companies decide what procedures we are allowed to have based on financial cost/benefit matrix conclusions rather than allowing real medical care to take place.
In the USA we WOULD have better control because we elect people to the positions of power which would affect the universal healthcare directly. Originally Posted by classicdame Another is that in universal healthcare the providers (MDs, Nurses, everyone) are not paid as well as in USA.
Untrue. The net pay versus cost of living is practically the same in an overwhelming majority. Originally Posted by classicdame I have had the opportunity to visit many countries and have learned that nurses in USA do a lot of procedures and make decisions that only MDs are allowed to do elsewhere. In other words, there are fewer people to ACT and advocate for the patient.
This has far less to do with the universal healthcare concept and more to do with the medical culture of a given country. There are many countries which do not have Universal Heathcare wherein the procedure/decision format is as you describe above.
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May 11, 2009, 09:09 PM
Re: Interesting article on Obama health care plan Originally Posted by markuskristian The fear is over the potential waiting lists that may come from universal health care.
You are implying that there are no waiting lists in our current corporate run healthcare system.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
At least in universal healthcare the waiting list is prioritized on the basis of urgent need and first-come first-served as opposed to who has the better health insurance or can pay the most money.
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