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Jun 21, 2009, 03:32 PM
 Re: I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine.
We do owe something to each other as members of a society.
One of the things that strikes me is that there have been signs of care-giving and healing found in most of the oldest excavations of our ancestors. Healing and care-giving have been given to each other by our ancestors from the earliest times. That in and of itself establishes a basic innate recognition of a human right to health care that predates any conception of organized societies.
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Jun 21, 2009, 09:29 PM
Re: I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine.
I'd like to ask a simple question that I think has been overlooked, who cares what our Founders would or would not have wanted? First of all, anyone who claims they would be on "your side" in this debate is doing them a disservice, the fact is, no one can say with accuracy what they would or would not do in this situation and secondly, who cares? They're dead. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on July 4th 1825 and they were the last of the Founders. That's 16 years shy of two-hundred years that they have all been dead. So, when we examine whether or not health-care is a right, what's the point in offering our interpretation of peoples ideas from 200 years ago? It was a completely different world.
And secondly, the Constitution isn't the Holy Grail, it's not perfect and while I agree that it never explicitly says that health care is a right, I really don't care if it says that or not. I don't form my opinions on a document that was written over 220 years ago.
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Jun 21, 2009, 09:47 PM
Re: I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine. Originally Posted by GCTMT  And secondly, the Constitution isn't the Holy Grail, it's not perfect and while I agree that it never explicitly says that health care is a right, I really don't care if it says that or not. I don't form my opinions on a document that was written over 220 years ago.
i understand what you're saying, but our constitution is the foundation of every type of law...
although it has been subject to wide interpretation.
whatever isn't spelled out, folks end up deferring to the 9th and 10th amendments, where all the fun begins. 
leslie
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Jun 21, 2009, 11:52 PM
Re: I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine. Originally Posted by HM2Viking We do owe something to each other as members of a society.
One of the things that strikes me is that there have been signs of care-giving and healing found in most of the oldest excavations of our ancestors. Healing and care-giving have been given to each other by our ancestors from the earliest times. That in and of itself establishes a basic innate recognition of a human right to health care that predates any conception of organized societies.
Your basic innate recognition of a human right to healthcare would be the compassion of healing and care-giving, not robbing from me and giving to others who have had the chance to prosper and pull themselves up by the bootstraps the way I learned to do. I grew up in a very poor neighborhood and was among those who were looked upon as being dirt poor, but my father decided that his children were not going to be labeled the same way he had been. I was the first in my family (both sides) to graduate from college. I find it very discouraging when those in power and some of us not in power to lower all the standards so those who are "less fortunate" may be able to be taken care of. Well, it is my experience that if there are no expectations, you will not go that extra mile to prove that you are able to. I don't mind helping, I give to my church and also give on a regular basis to four charities. I have heard over the years people stating that a person can be one heartbeat away from being homeless(homeless, by the way, does not always mean one is out on the street or sleeping in cars; it can mean you just don't have a place of your own. You could be living with relatives or friends). I beg to differ with them, I will not be homeless. My fathers display of hard work (working 2 jobs all his life) and his wanting to give his children a future has been enough for me to know that the human spirit is stronger than those in power want us to believe. Times have changed and I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't remember when there wasn't a lot of free things. Those were hard times, I certainly remember, but my family got through it. I'm sorry if I have been rambling on and on, but I just don't understand the mind-set of people who will not or think they cannot take care of their own.  | | No. 88 |
Jun 22, 2009, 01:07 AM
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Jun 22, 2009 at 01:15 AM by wowza
Re: I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine. Originally Posted by HM2Viking Jefferson actually supported publicly funded health care for merchant mariners....Its not much of a leap to extend that support as societal circumstances have changed to support for a form of public health care for all Americans.
It is a bit of a leap. He supported a hospital for those sailors who were turned away by local physicians. Hardly the same kind of bureaucratic, wide sweeping, gov't controlled program we are talking about. Considering his views would be considered libertarian in almost all other regards I don't think you can say Jefferson would be on board. Here are a few classic Jefferson quotes: "Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now." ~TJ
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government ." ~TJ "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
~TJ
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Jun 22, 2009, 01:11 AM
Re: I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine.
Your basic innate recognition of a human right to healthcare would be the compassion of healing and care-giving, not robbing from me and giving to others who have had the chance to prosper and pull themselves up by the bootstraps the way I learned to do. 1. you didn't make it on your own. Others paid and subsidized the public school you attended. This isn't meant to be harsh. It is a simple statement that you received indirect help from others which was tax funded.
I grew up in a very poor neighborhood and was among those who were looked upon as being dirt poor, but my father decided that his children were not going to be labeled the same way he had been. I was the first in my family (both sides) to graduate from college.
2. Obviously your father had a role in your success. My great grandfather was a homesteader in SD. He was a HS graduate in Norway but unable to inherit land. He made sure that his children were able to support themselves by sending his daughters to nursing school. He was given land as a homesteader to prove up.
I find it very discouraging when those in power and some of us not in power to lower all the standards so those who are "less fortunate" may be able to be taken care of. Well, it is my experience that if there are no expectations, you will not go that extra mile to prove that you are able to. 3. Not one person is calling for a lowering of standards or "free things." Rather its to make sure that all people have access to affordable health care AND to lower the costs of health care for all. Undoubtedly we have a responsibility to care and provide for our families but there are responsibilities that are collectively shared. (Education, public safety, education etc.) None of us makes it solely on our own. |
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