I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine.

Healthcare reform would be putting the rest of us on the plan Congress is on.

Okay then, I suppose the only alternative is to accept that all of our politicians are corrupt, and quit voting all together. If Obama does not get health reform passed, he will not get my vote in 2012. I'd be willing to bet, that the other 52% of the nation that voted for him, feels similar.

Healthcare reform would be putting the rest of us on the plan Congress is on.

While most American citizens are listening to the "pitchmen" selling us on "reform", read here what's happening:

Hospitals agree to massive "savings" (in other words limiting services) Biden announces today
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...rticle/2009/07
/06/AR2009070604053.html?hpid=topnews

And behind the scenes, Rahm Emmanuel's brother Ezekial, who is a healthcare advisor, discusses in an article with two others, how to ration limited healthcare services (when it's YOUR parent, or infant, you will probably wonder how this happened):

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60137-9/fulltext

(quick subscription required at Lancet to read full article - it's for healthcare)

Healthcare coverage does not equal medical care . Be careful what you wish for. Beware of the pitchman.

Oh my gosh, that would truly bankrupt America.

We really need to take them OFF that plan - I don't see them toiling for years and years. They pretty much get to party . . . on our money.

steph

Because none of the currently used systems satisfy all ethical requirements for just allocation, we propose an alternative: the complete lives system. This system incorporates five principles (table 2): youngest-first, prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value.5 As such, it prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life and will be unlikely to do so without aid. Many thinkers have accepted complete lives as the appropriate focus of distributive justice: “individual human lives, rather than individual experiences, [are] the units over which any distributive principle should operate.”1, 75, 76 Although there are important differences between these thinkers, they share a core commitment to consider entire lives rather than events or episodes, which is also the defining feature of the complete lives system.

contrast, the complete lives system combines four morally relevant principles: youngest-first, prognosis, lottery, and saving the most lives. In pandemic situations, it also allocates scarce interventions to people instrumental in realising these four principles. Importantly, it is not an algorithm, but a framework that expresses widely affirmed values: priority to the worst-off, maximising benefits, and treating people equally. To achieve a just allocation of scarce medical interventions, society must embrace the challenge of implementing a coherent multiprinciple framework rather than relying on simple principles or retreating to the status quo.

Because none of the currently used systems satisfy all ethical requirements for just allocation, we propose an alternative: the complete lives system. This system incorporates five principles (table 2): youngest-first, prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value.5 As such, it prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life and will be unlikely to do so without aid. Many thinkers have accepted complete lives as the appropriate focus of distributive justice: “individual human lives, rather than individual experiences, [are] the units over which any distributive principle should operate.”1, 75, 76 Although there are important differences between these thinkers, they share a core commitment to consider entire lives rather than events or episodes, which is also the defining feature of the complete lives system.

contrast, the complete lives system combines four morally relevant principles: youngest-first, prognosis, lottery, and saving the most lives. In pandemic situations, it also allocates scarce interventions to people instrumental in realising these four principles. Importantly, it is not an algorithm, but a framework that expresses widely affirmed values: priority to the worst-off, maximising benefits, and treating people equally. To achieve a just allocation of scarce medical interventions, society must embrace the challenge of implementing a coherent multiprinciple framework rather than relying on simple principles or retreating to the status quo.

Just heard a horror story from Canada on a talk radio show.
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Yes, something needs to be done. But name one government program that isn't full of waste and run well? I don't want the government in charge of my healthcare. The insurance companys are starting to wake up and realizing if they don't do something about covering people at a lower cost they are toast. Obama's health plan will put them out of business....