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No. 120
from leslie :-D
Old Jun 27, 2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blue note View Post
How true. That John Stossel is a hack corporate shill is not news. Remember the 20/20 organic food story he did, which resulted in ABC reprimanding him for lying about tests conducted and he was forced to apologize on air? He has about as much credibility as his fellow pornstache club member, Geraldo.
the organic food story, was only 1 of sev'l i was reading about.
blue, you knew this about him and didn't tell me?????
seriously, i am so, so disappointed.
i really believed him all these yrs.

Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
Without personal credibility he has failed as a journalist. :<<
he most certainly has.
that is now undisputable.

Originally Posted by blue note View Post
It is no secret where Michael Moore is coming from. John Stossel pretends to be an impartial journalist when he is not.
bingo.
he's a fraud.
i don't understand how he can be defended as a journalist.

leslie
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No. 121
from blue note
Old Jun 27, 2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by leslie :-D View Post
the organic food story, was only 1 of sev'l i was reading about.
blue, you knew this about him and didn't tell me?????
Sorry you got your Stossel bubble burst....
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No. 122
Old Jun 27, 2009, 08:18 PM

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And now for our regularly scheduled program....
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No. 123
from ghillbert
Old Jun 29, 2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
My impression is that she does not know one single person who would trade UHC for the US system.
Correct

But just because she doesn't know some, doesn't mean there aren't some who WOULD trade UHC for the US system. And some who come to the US for care because they are not satisfied with their system.
Obviously I do not know everyone in the world who has UHC (!)... and of COURSE there are those that are dissatisfied with their system (as I said) - but although I can definitely appreciate the flaws in, for example, my country's system does not mean that I would trade it for the US system.

In my health care econ class last night we have a student from Poland who says their health care system is terrible, they are overtaxed and the system is run by the government. She gave examples of her own mom and the mess of her experience with an illness and not being able to be seen for 5 months.
Do you REALLY think you can compare Poland (or Lithuania, or whatever other poor disadvantaged country you can think of with government-run healthcare) with Canada or Australia?

There ARE people in countries with UHC who do not like it.
Of course. Would they swap for the US system? A 5 month wait when you have no insurance is better than a permanent wait with no insurance.
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No. 124
from K98
Old Jun 30, 2009, 09:37 AM

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My health insurance is just fine. It has covered mine and my family's needs since our children were infants. My son was born with a bilateral cleft and is still being treated at age 18. I don't want the government involved in providing insurance, and I certainly don't want to be taxed to pay for insurance for others.
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No. 125
Old Jun 30, 2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ghillbert View Post

Do you REALLY think you can compare Poland (or Lithuania, or whatever other poor disadvantaged country you can think of with government-run healthcare) with Canada or Australia?

I wasn't comparing my friend's story with Canada or Australia . . .just telling a story from class.

We are knee-deep in this subject in my econ class - lots of conversation, lots of speakers of all stripes, it is quite an education.

(Did I mention that she had to bribe the nurses to do things for her mom?).


steph
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No. 126
from saarein
Old Jun 30, 2009, 11:16 AM

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Please, I think we have beat this dead horse enough! We will have to agree to disagree on this subject. There are those of us who will not just sit by and accept everything that is hand fed to us. No matter what anyone tells us, we have our principles and ideas of what is right and wrong. I really do think we need a way to vent our frustrations of this mess in a more pragmatic way; taking more of my hard earned money out of my paycheck so other people can enjoy the "right" of having insurance is not the way!
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No. 127
from elkpark
Old Jun 30, 2009, 11:21 AM

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While I'm quite sure that there are individuals, perhaps many individuals, in countries with UHC programs that are dissatisfied with their country's system, I'm not aware (and I do make an effort to stay informed on international healthcare issues) of any country with a UHC system that has any sort of movement to disassemble the UHC system and move to a US-style, laissez-faire, private insurance system. If I'm wrong, I would be happy to be corrected.
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No. 128
Old Jun 30, 2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saarein View Post
taking more of my hard earned money out of my paycheck so other people can enjoy the "right" of having insurance is not the way!
Except that a payroll tax based system will REPLACE insurance premiums/copays and will lower net costs to individuals..........

see http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...hp#raise_taxes
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No. 129
from K98
Old Jun 30, 2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
Except that a payroll tax based system will REPLACE insurance premiums/copays and will lower net costs to individuals..........

see http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...hp#raise_taxes
If my health insurance is provided at no cost to me by my employer, how is a payroll tax going to lower my net cost?
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