Healthcare-NOW! 2009 National Strategy Conference

None of those sources have any credibility with a large number of Americans. You can surf the net to find support for ANY position, then link it. So what. All that means is that you can waste your time developing sources that agree with YOU. You communists get a little testy at times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Communism (from ConservaPedia): Communism is a materialistic and militantly atheistic ideology created to justify the overthrow of "Capitalism", replacing free market economics and democracy with a "dictatorship of the proletariat". Under Communism, the political system replaces the private ownership of the means of production with "collective ownership" (actually nationalization).

Troll (from Urban Dictionary): One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

K98, hello.
What's your strategy for healthcare reform? Do you even believe that reform is necessary? This thread isn't about communism and your name-calling doesn't further the discussion; in this case it appears to be an attempt to shut it down, or "hijack" the thread.

So, do you agree or disagree with acts of civil disobedience as a strategy to raise the consciousness of people regarding the injustice inherent in a for-profit health insurance industry? Have you ever been to a Healthcare-NOW rally? I have and there are wonderful people who put their heart and soul into making this country a better place to live---union workers, churchgoers, teachers, firefighters, physicians and nurses are willing to risk arrest as advocates for social justice in health care.

To us that means winning a single payer system, an improved and expanded MediCare for All national health plan.

Might I ask why you believe you have to demonstrate? I thought this health care reform is/was a done deal?

Is Kellog's a for profit company. Imagine the right to food and someone's making obsence profits from cereal?

Healthcare reform is not a done deal; it never will be as long as insurance companies are allowed to decide who gets care and who doesn't. Access to comprehensive health care services is a right. It is the responsibility of society, through its governement, to assure this right.

When we ratified the United National General Assembly Universal Declaration of Human Rights on Dec 10, 1948, we agreed in Article 25:
•(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
•(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

According to Dr. Marcia Angell, of Physicians for a National Health Plan, "We live in a country that tolerates enormous disparities in income, material possessions, and social privilege. That may be an inevitable consequence of a free market economy. But those disparities should not extend to denying some of our citizens certain essential services because of their income or social status. One of those services is health care. Others are education, clean water and air, equal justice, and protection from crime, all of which we already acknowledge are public responsibilities. We need to acknowledge the same thing for health care."

Why demonstrate? Well, we've written letters, made phone calls, burned up the fax machines, knocked on the doors and had them slammed in our faces hoping to get a seat at the table, to present an effective cure for the broken health system, so to speak. Single payer advocates were shut out and are continuing to be shut out of the debate, in favor of corporate interest legislation that won't be successful in controlling costs or expanding care. What I see is placebo politics offered in place of genuine reform. People's lives are at stake; our country ranks 37th in health outcomes according to the World Health Organization. Morally and ethically, as the richest country on earth, we can afford to do better; leading economists agree that we can well afford to expand and improve Medicare to cover all of us. It's obscene that we don't try. We have the highest death rate from preventable/treatable conditions out of the top 19 industrialized countries.

In the words of Lillian Wald, founder of public health nursing, "We commit ourselves to any wrong or degradation when we do not protest against it." That's why we demonstrate. It's worked before in the history of civil rights movements, so why not? Continuing with the status quo is not working! As nurses we have a duty to change circumstances that are against the interests or wishes of our patients. For-profit health care is just such a circumstance!

K98, hello.
What's your strategy for healthcare reform? Do you even believe that reform is necessary? This thread isn't about communism and your name-calling doesn't further the discussion; in this case it appears to be an attempt to shut it down, or "hijack" the thread.

So, do you agree or disagree with acts of civil disobedience as a strategy to raise the consciousness of people regarding the injustice inherent in a for-profit health insurance industry? Have you ever been to a Healthcare-NOW rally? I have and there are wonderful people who put their heart and soul into making this country a better place to live---union workers, churchgoers, teachers, firefighters, physicians and nurses are willing to risk arrest as advocates for social justice in health care.

To us that means winning a single payer system, an improved and expanded MediCare for All national health plan.

You want to live in Europe? Move. BTW, enjoy your time in the Graybar Motel.

So, do you agree or disagree with acts of civil disobedience as a strategy to raise the consciousness of people regarding the injustice inherent in a for-profit health insurance industry? Have you ever been to a Healthcare-NOW rally? I have and there are wonderful people who put their heart and soul into making this country a better place to live---union workers, churchgoers, teachers, firefighters, physicians and nurses are willing to risk arrest as advocates for social justice in health care.

Irrelevant K98. This thread is not about RN4MERCY and where she decides to live. Her post to you was thoughtful and sincere, but true to form your reply was rude and childish.

^... Your suggestion that social programs don't work in Europe have no basis in reality. They have problems, but they work and people appreciate them.

The European emigration from Europe is over, suggesting that millions of Europeans are currently fleeing an oppressive Europe to reach the shores of America is laughable.

I support single-payer health care because it's cheap, effective and equitable. It's not perfect, no system is, but it's a good idea that can be built on.