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No. 10
from NRSKarenRN
Old Oct 26, 2009, 09:09 AM

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Cinergy Health Insurance
Our Cinergy Health Preferred Insurance Plans are limited medical benefit plans, which provide first dollar coverage for the predictable medical care people need most frequently. These insurance plans provide coverage starting with a member's very first doctor's visit without a deductible so that you don't put off important medical care. From doctor visits and diagnostics to maternity and surgeries you can feel confident that you have the essential coverage you need that's easily within your budget. And best of all, you can choose your own doctors and hospitals without being confined to a list.


Cinergy Health Preferred includes benefits for:
  • doctor visits
  • hospital stays
  • surgical procedures
  • ICU
  • critical care benefits
  • labs and x-rays
  • diagnostic testing
  • wellness check-ups
  • preventive tests
  • pregnancy
  • medical accidents
  • emergency room visits
  • accidental death and dismemberment coverage and more...
The Cinergy Health Preferred Plans are guaranteed issue, so everyone qualifies regardless of pre-existing medical conditions. All eligible applicants pay the same rate provided you are under age 65 upon enrollment.* However, there is a six month waiting period for benefits related to conditions for which the member was seen, treated or diagnosed within the six months prior to enrollment unless proof of prior creditable coverage is provided.
This plan was heavily advertising in PA in beginning of the year. I've had patients who had this insurance and hhave called to obtain benefits--- calling pts to set up home care services were shocked to find that it had per year limits of $1,000 for radiology, ~$10,000 for hospitalization and no coverage for home health care or durable medical equipment. From the above description, you'd think you have 100% coverage for these services.
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No. 11
from azhiker96
Old Oct 26, 2009, 09:29 AM

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Vivalasviejas, once you have a year of creditable coverage then pre-existing conditions can't be used to deny payment. I'd suggest a letter to your state insurance commissioner. The P in HIPAA is for portability.

http://er.hipaaps.com/hipaa_portability.htm

The P in HIPAA stands for portability of medical coverage. This part of HIPAA went into effect on July 1, 1997. On the date the plan or insurer becomes subject to the HIPAA provisions, the plan or insurer may not exclude coverage for any pre-existing medical conditions for more than 12 months after an individual's enrollment date (18 months for a late enrollee).
In addition, the medical plan must count any creditable coverage that individuals accumulated prior to their enrollment date to reduce their remaining pre-existing condition exclusion period. So what does this mean? Suppose a new employee has had continuous creditable coverage for 9 months prior to the effective date of the new employer coverage. The new medical plan can enforce a waiver of any pre-existing conditions for a maximum of three more months. After 12 months of continuous creditable coverage, all pre-existing conditions must be covered as any other illness. It also means that if the employee has had at least 12 months of coverage prior to the new coverage, then no pre-existing conditions can be waived.
A late enrollee is an employee that does not elect coverage when offered and delays joining the medical plan. The creditable coverage period can be extended to 18 months. However, if the employee still has 18 continuous months of coverage, pre-existing conditions are still covered.
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No. 12
Old Oct 26, 2009, 01:59 PM

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Now THAT'S something I didn't know..........I had insurance with two different companies under United Health Care. Unfortunately, I'm not sure where that paperwork is located, or even if I have it anymore (I'm a documentation guru at work, but a TERRIBLE record-keeper at home). Do you know how I might obtain copies of my creditable coverage certificates?
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No. 13
from azhiker96
Old Oct 26, 2009, 03:02 PM

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Call United Healthcare and ask them to fax/mail you a letter showing your dates of coverage. Then contact your current company and tell them you're faxing that information to them. If they still balk let them know you're writting the state insurance commissioner and then do that. That office does have power apparently. Here's my story of using them.

Years ago on a weekend my wife had acute abd pain. I took her to the ER where they diagosed her with acute cholelithiasis, scheduled her in the OR, and took her gallbladder out. My insurance paid the ER fees but denied the operation saying it had not be pre-approved. Give me a break! How can I predict an emergency surgery. After going round and round I wrote the state insurance commissioner and gave him the details. A week later I got a call from my insurance saying they were cutting a check to the hospital. It's a shame but sometimes we have to hold their feet to the fire. Good luck on yours.
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No. 15
from Pierrette
Old Oct 26, 2009, 11:43 PM

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My goodness. I don't think I can stand another "everybody is better than the USA" post.

You win, Viking. I'm outta here.
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No. 16
from GCTMT
Old Oct 27, 2009, 07:47 AM

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^.. Yeah, the truth hurts.
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No. 17
from tntrn
Old Oct 27, 2009, 12:00 PM

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So what? I am sure that is because the government takes care of everything: no personal responsibility necessary. I am also sure that many of the "medical" bankruptcies in this country are not due soley to medical costs....we go once again to personal responsibilities and the choices people make in their lives.
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No. 18
Old Oct 27, 2009, 01:16 PM

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tnt, I usually agree with you, but I think this "people need to take responsibility for their choices" is a straw man argument. If you read my post on the previous page, you know I'm all about personal responsibility, but I'm STILL getting screwed by my insurance company..........just like a lot of other middle-class people in this country.

To listen to some folks tell it, everyone who's having trouble affording healthcare these days is a lazy, irresponsible loser. Well, I don't consider myself one, and I am heartily sick of listening to people try to justify denying millions of people basic health services on account of the relative few who DO abuse the system.

That is all.
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No. 19
from tntrn
Old Oct 27, 2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VivaLasViejas View Post
tnt, I usually agree with you, but I think this "people need to take responsibility for their choices" is a straw man argument. If you read my post on the previous page, you know I'm all about personal responsibility, but I'm STILL getting screwed by my insurance company..........just like a lot of other middle-class people in this country.

To listen to some folks tell it, everyone who's having trouble affording healthcare these days is a lazy, irresponsible loser. Well, I don't consider myself one, and I am heartily sick of listening to people try to justify denying millions of people basic health services on account of the relative few who DO abuse the system.

That is all.
And I am almost always in agreement with you also. I do realize that there are exceptions to all "rules". Your story, which I believe completely, is one of those exceptions. I also know people who are in dire straits, and have tried their hardest to do what is right and be responsible. But we both know that there are many who have used and reused and used again, the system, and when they do go bankrupt, if the final straw happens to be a medical thing, it's called a Medical Bankruptcy. That is why I posted what I did...because I don't for one minute think that all those bankruptcies happened just because of a medical crisis. Some may have, and you are a good example of what can happen. My best to you, as always.

I don't like blanket statements and that one about the medical bankruptcies seems to be just that, and without any supporting information as to what else might have contributed.

Surely there can be a mechanism to weed out the irresponsible users, help those who are not in that category, and leave those who are happy with things as they are for themselves alone.
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