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from blue note
Old Jun 19, 2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wowza View Post
Thus the 47 million probably triples the real number. It just gets people more fired up than 10 or 15 million would.
Not that I agree with your numbers interpretation, but I for one, would be fired up even if it was "only" 10 or 15 million people. It doesn't make it any more acceptable to me.
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No. 11
Old Jun 19, 2009, 06:03 PM

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Actually I live in a state where is is mandatory that every citizen be covered. If you don't have financial resources you get a government plan ( AKA Medicaid). If you can't afford a full payment you pay want you can afford. If you have the finances and elect not to have a plan you pay a fine.

Some hospitals are closing, there are very few nursing positions open. The jury is is still out where or not this is a success, it was passed with republican governor and a democratic house and senate.
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No. 12
Old Jun 20, 2009, 03:18 PM

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The Commonwealth fund has a new report out about the un/underinsured: (Its a lot closer to 100 million than 10 million.)

Most people in the U.S. fall into one of these categories and have personally experienced the shortcomings of our current system. Even before the severe recession, an estimated 116 million working-age adults—two-thirds of all adults—reported they were uninsured or underinsured, had medical bill or debt problems, or experienced difficulties obtaining needed care. The beneficiaries of reforms that ensure affordable health insurance and access to high-quality care would include:
  • 46 million who were uninsured at the start of the recession, and 55 million who were uninsured at some point during the past year;
  • 25 million working-age adults who are underinsured;
  • 72 million working-age adults who have difficulty paying medical bills;
  • 49 million small business employees who now pay higher premiums than employees in larger businesses;
  • 4 million adults under age 65 with individual coverage whose premiums go toward high overhead costs, leaving less room for benefits;
  • one-third of insured people who change plans frequently, often not by choice;
  • 46 percent of workers with employer coverage who do not have a choice of plans;
  • Medicaid beneficiaries, who would have expanded choices and better access to care if Medicaid provider payments were increased;
  • women, who as a group carry greater financial burdens from health care expenses;
  • 13 million young adults without coverage;
  • older adults and early retirees, who have few affordable insurance options;
  • 2 million disabled individuals in the waiting period for Medicare coverage;
  • any Medicare beneficiary who now pays high hospital deductibles or high premiums for supplemental coverage; and
  • 37 million adults and 10 million children who lack easy access to a regular source of care.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Cont...nd-Center.aspx

The difference is that this is data driven work not based on suppositions.....
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No. 13
from herring_RN
Old Jun 20, 2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierrette View Post
A good explanation of the uninsured:

http://www.creators.com/opinion/larry-elder.html
I've listened to his show since he began on KABC in the '90s.
I think Larry Elder suffers from willful ignorance.
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No. 14
Old Jun 20, 2009, 05:17 PM

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whether it's 50 million or 10 million, it's too many. and immigrants don't count? are they not people too?

i'm sick and tired of hearing that everyone can have health insurance if they cut back on their spending and "prioritized". give me a break.

pre-existing conditions make getting individual insurance IMPOSSIBLE. pregnant? sorry for your luck. COBRA is crap...it's nothing but a piece of paper. and many employers don't offer the people who work their butts off cleaning the toilets, cutting hair or waiting tables insurance.

but i forgot, everyone who doesn't have insurance just doesn't try hard enough, and wants a free ride on the government. just because a handful of people abuse the system doesn't make up for the millions of people who struggle daily with paying for medical care vs. rent and groceries. it's a shame how people in this country have SO MUCH and are willing to share NOTHING.

nothing gets me fired up quite like the health care crisis in this country.
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No. 15
from leslie :-D
Old Jun 20, 2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
I think Larry Elder suffers from willful ignorance.
to heck w/h1n1...
willful ignorance is even more pandemic, more virulent, more resistant and ultimately, more fatal.
but yes herring, mr. elder has been afflicted badly with it.

leslie
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No. 16
from nicurn001
Old Jun 21, 2009, 10:39 AM

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However many million are uninsured ,whether or not they are wilfully uninsured or not and whether or not they are legal or illegal immigrants ,when the uninsured presents themselves at the ER , they are UNINSURED , we have to pick up the expensive tab , whether through raised private insurance premiums or extra funds to one of the present government healthcare systems .
It would be nice if the GOP would ,show us an actual plan that would ensure that no person in the USA , would not have healthcare insurance and did not face the real possibility that their first major ilness would lead to personal bankrupcy .
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No. 17
from blue note
Old Jun 21, 2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flightnurse2b View Post
whether it's 50 million or 10 million, it's too many. and immigrants don't count? are they not people too?
Yep. Love how they just blithely dismiss the how-ever-many millions as not Americans and so, they don't count. There are many legal immigrants in this country who pay taxes as well, so they deserve access to affordable health care as much as Americans do.
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Old Jun 21, 2009, 03:23 PM

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I would add "other" Americans. If they are a legal immigrant they are pursuing full membership in our society...
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from blue note
Old Jun 21, 2009, 04:18 PM

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