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Jul 26, 2009 08:57 AM

The French and Dutch do health care right.

by oramar allnurses Guide

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09207/986169-109.stm

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from ToxicShock
Old Jul 26, 2009, 11:39 AM

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Thank you for finding and posting this! I'm so sick of hearing that tired excuse of "poor care" and long waits before one can see a doctor as a reason to oppose a universal health care system. Hopefully this article will help clear up these misconceptions.
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Old Jul 26, 2009, 07:16 PM

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It seems the media is portraying universal healthcare to = longer waits in line...etc..

Universal Healthcare is "an inconvenience" - because we have to wait a long time in a waiting room for treatment. boo hoo... How unamerican...

Well the truth is, I would sooner wait in line for health care than the idea of being one of the 46 million Americans who are not currently insured, or who even get any "oppotunity" to stand in any lines at all for that matter. Many are just flat out denied healthcare services because of private insurance companies refusal to treat them.

In the meantime, here in the US we have our mighty private insurance industry funded healthcare system, 46 million uninsured Americans and 22,000 Americans who die every year because they are either denied treatment by insurance companies or because they cannot afford to get any health care treatment at all.

Now that's a REAL "inconvenience" ...

Where's the line start and please give me a number...
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Old Jul 26, 2009, 11:42 PM

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I'm really tired of the "waiting in line" BS too. I think that whatever system we go to, we'll have to tweak, but in the end, the caregivers, ie-nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs, and all others, can make it there own. We can deliver great care at a fraction of the cost. I know that about 25-30% of healthcare cost is administrative, d/t private insurance companies.
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from K98
Old Jul 28, 2009, 09:35 PM

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I wouldn't believe anything printed in that left-wing bird-cage liner. I guess you can always pack up and move to France. Thanks to us, they don't speak German there. Yet.
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Old Jul 30, 2009, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MedSurgeMess View Post
I'm really tired of the "waiting in line" BS too. I think that whatever system we go to, we'll have to tweak, but in the end, the caregivers, ie-nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs, and all others, can make it there own. We can deliver great care at a fraction of the cost. I know that about 25-30% of healthcare cost is administrative, d/t private insurance companies.
Wait 'til you see how much the bureaucracy of government running a healthcare system eats up % of cost in administration.

You are in dream land. Nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs will have NO power. We are healthcare "workers". Government will set your limits of practice and treatments, and you and your patients will have no appeal to decisions. Educate yourself to what's in this "reform". It's called cost cutting and it will be effective. When it is your family member (most likely the very young and the elderly) who doesn't receive treatment, you will wake up.
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Old Aug 09, 2009, 11:29 AM

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please cut the feces website.....
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Old Aug 09, 2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HM2Viking View Post
How about a little balance? No bias here, just attacks on Sarah Palin, anyone conservative (dem, or rep.), etc...
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Old Aug 09, 2009, 12:05 PM

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http://healthcarereformmyths.org/Hea...eformMyths.php

otherwise go to the Commonwealth Fund website. (Its a policy wonks dream...)
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Old Aug 09, 2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tulip928 View Post
Wait 'til you see how much the bureaucracy of government running a healthcare system eats up % of cost in administration.

You are in dream land. Nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs will have NO power. We are healthcare "workers". Government will set your limits of practice and treatments, and you and your patients will have no appeal to decisions. Educate yourself to what's in this "reform". It's called cost cutting and it will be effective. When it is your family member (most likely the very young and the elderly) who doesn't receive treatment, you will wake up.
I read stuff like this on every single UHC thread, almost without exception posted by someone ho has never worked outside the US. Where does this come from?
I work in a UHC country where patients get 2nd + 3rd opinions, have input into their treatment, and innovation is encouraged.
There are times I would like to see some health care rationing - like the time we dialyzed a 92 year old man with advanced dementia for a week + a half because his family wanted all treatment given. Public system, public patient.
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