Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her Originally Posted by ivanh3 
In a survey of scientists (n=3146) were asked if a) was there global warming? and b) was it influenced by human activity? 92 percent said yes to "A" and 82 percent said yes to "B". Of those scientists 97 percent of those that identified themselves as climatologists said yes to "B". Exactly how is this based on "junk" science? It is just like "right wing propagandists" to say that global warming is a myth. So you are an educated person, why is it junk science? Why is it propaganda? What are your sources? God forbid we try do something about climate change, end up being wrong, but in the process make the world a nicer, cleaner place to live. Not a bad deal if we are wrong about climate change, unlike "Lets bomb this country that had nothing to do with anything and if we are wrong....we just won't admit we are wrong!"
You are right. There are deficits in our school system, but I find it almost laughable, but really very sad and scary, that you would blame this on liberals when time and time again it has been the conservative party in this country that has cut education budgets. Again, it is just like conservative, right wing propagandists to get out there and just spout stuff with no credible sources or facts to back them up. Cheney and Busy were the masters of that, and of course very much in line with global warming is human influenced=myth=junk science.
Ivan the very liberal left wing propagandist
A survey, even of scientists, is hardly proof. At one time, the greatest minds in the world thought the earth was flat. A survey of them would have told us the earth was flat. I am not saying global warming isn't occuring, just that a survey doesnt give us proof one way or the other.
I had once heard from a professor at my university that the eruption of Mt St Helens produced more Co2 than we had put out since the industrial revolution. I tried to find a source today but couldn't. Anyone with insight into this?
On an off topic note: my take on the education system is that the problems actually stems from the culture in which some kids are brought up. School and education are devalued while social status or material possessions or sports or "real life" is stressed instead. Until we can change the environment kids grow up in, we can throw all the money we want to at the problem but we will only make marginal progress.
For instance, if a kid's parents don't care how he does in school and don't take an active interest in his school, he will lose interest as soon as it becomes hard. You can have all the teachers and resources but most kids will give up without the proper support outside of school.
Originally Posted by blue note Well, if global warming is "left wing propaganda," then conservatives should take their kids out of school and teach them intelligent design then, since science is obviously not a priority!
Few conservatives support intelligent design. It seems only the most vocal conservatives support it. Kind of like the most vocal conservatives are vehemently against abortion. I for one, do not feel the republican party (esp the most recent bush) accurately represents the conservative view point any longer. They have strayed to far to the religious right and away from their real base.
Frankly, global warming isn't fact yet. Our models of climate change are rudimentary at best. Many (?most) of the facts support it and we should try to combat it.
Ironically, some of the best and cleanest energy sources (nuclear for one) are being fought tooth and nail by the same people pushing to prevent global warming. Vast resources are being pumped into the wrong alternative energies. Based on thermodynamics, wind and solar and geothermal can never provide the amt of energy we actually need. We need a more logical and potentially effective plan.
Here's a good read
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/1...cement-speech/ 
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