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| No. 30 | 
May 28, 2009, 10:13 PM
 Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her
And why much ado about socialized health care?
Do people complain about socialized law enforcement?
Do people complain about socialized fire protection?
Do people complain about socialized education?
Do people complain about socialized roads, sidewalks, and other infrastructure?
Do people complain about socialized regulation of food safety?
Do people complain about socialized drug safety?
etc.
(yes, there are some that complain, but is there really a valid argument?)
"Providing for the common welfare" in a part of the United States Constitution. If health care is not part of the common welfare, I don't know what is.
Regards.
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May 29, 2009, 12:01 AM
Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her Originally Posted by tgirl84  Why do all Canadians with money come to the states to get high risk surgery? Because it's not as great as it sounds folks! Universal Care has its advantages, but let's not forget the disadvantages, namely paying a butt-load of taxes. I was born in Canada, my father went to medical school there, and the day he graduated, he moved to the US to complete his residency here and never went back. He REFUSES to work there! Do you like going to the DMV? Well, that is what going to the doctor will be like if Uncle Sam is running the show. I'd personally would have a choice of which specialist I go and see, another thing I would give up with Universal Health care. Are you guys stopping to think about the choices you'll be giving up? And to those who think doctors charge too much, think of all the people who go to the hospital every year, who must be seen, but don't pay a dime! Majority of the people I take care of in the ER personally. Most the time it isn't even an "emergency", they know they will be seen, but won't have to pay! Government again at its finest...
The two universal systems I have some familiarity with - Canadian and French - offer completely free choice of doctor, as do both of the proposals for single payer in this country. Going to the doctor in Canada is just like going to the doctor in the US - except you don't get a bill afterwards.
And someone finally studied the thing about Canadians coming to the US for care. Remember that most of the population of Canada is quite close to the US border. The finding was that .1% of Canadians had ever traveled to the US for healthcare - 1 in 1,000. By comparison, about 1 in 30 Californians travel to Mexico for care each year.
| | No. 33 |
May 29, 2009, 04:44 AM
Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her Originally Posted by nerdtonurse? I know folks like the lady in the story who never give up their Canadian citizenship (and go "home" for x amount of time a year) just so they can keep their Canadian health insurance.
I also think that we should go single payer; I've put too many patients in body bags who didn't go to the doc for the breast lump, rectal bleeding, or recurrent headaches because they didn't have insurance -- when they finally come in, it's too late. I also think we should change the laws so that an ER trip costs more than an office visit, and if you're on assistance and go to the ER for non emergency stuff, it gets taken out of your check (with lots of education on what's an emergency and what's not). Maybe that would keep our "demerol and diet soda q2h" group out of the ER.
I completely agree. One of my aunts - who died last year - grew up and lived in poverty her entire life. My mother bought her private health insurance and as soon as my aunt received her card, she immediately went to the doctor for her checkup. To her surprise, she had full blown lung cancer. That dyspnea on exertion was more than what everyone thought, it was actually the end stages of her disease. And all that weight she had been losing throughout the last year? Nope, she did not have an eating disorder nor was she on drugs).
Point is, when health insurance was made available to my aunt, she was happy to go to the doctor. Not saying it was the best insurance policy. Just adding to your statement that with a single payer health insurance program, costs of healthcare would eventually decrease, period, because more people can catch their diseases early, aka prevention rather than treatment.
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May 29, 2009, 11:52 PM
Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her Originally Posted by Chico David RN The two universal systems I have some familiarity with - Canadian and French - offer completely free choice of doctor, as do both of the proposals for single payer in this country. Going to the doctor in Canada is just like going to the doctor in the US - except you don't get a bill afterwards.
And someone finally studied the thing about Canadians coming to the US for care. Remember that most of the population of Canada is quite close to the US border. The finding was that .1% of Canadians had ever traveled to the US for healthcare - 1 in 1,000. By comparison, about 1 in 30 Californians travel to Mexico for care each year.
I would be very interested to know what study you are quoting when you write that .1% of Canadians are traveling to the US for healthcare. I am interested in gathering information on it.
Thanks.
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May 30, 2009, 12:04 AM
Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her Originally Posted by GCTMT I would be very interested to know what study you are quoting when you write that .1% of Canadians are traveling to the US for healthcare. I am interested in gathering information on it.
Thanks.
You can find the info here: http://cthealth.server101.com/myth_c...n_the_u_s_.htm
The link in that article to the original in the journal "Health Affairs" no longer seems to work, but you could likely track that down without too much trouble. It's a major enough journal to find in many libraries, at least university libraries.
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May 31, 2009, 02:17 AM
Re: Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her Originally Posted by Ilithya Thats fine and dandy but where my parents live in Canada they cant even get a family dr to accept them because they all have to many patients they have to PAY to go to the clinic $35, much like I would if I were to go to a clinic here. Where I live in Texas I can get into my doctor within a week. So the healthcare systems has nothing to do with it.
You probably sound professional when you call to make an appointment. Most people sound like they don't really want one, when they call for one. 
Many times patients can't get appointments sooner because of an attitude that they shouldn't be "pushy", or "bother" anyone. When I taught breast self examination (BSE) to women's groups, for the American Cancer Society, I said that they shouldn't be put off by whoever answers the telephone and says the doctor can't see them for 6 weeks. They should rather tell that person that the lump in their breast they found by doing BSE would grow, and if it was cancer, it would kill them if they had to wait 6 weeks. (I did say that in a funny way, so they wouldn't do it morbidly - but would remember not to wait that long to see their doctor). It's also not wise to "watch" lumps, but get a second opinion if they're told that would be their plan of care.
Assertion training was in vogue with the advent of the "feminist movement", and I wish it still was employed as a means to get people to realize that no one appreciates their presence on this earth more than they and their family do. So it's necessary to take up their own cause and get what they need!
Family doctors are scarce, as they're working as "hospitalists" here. Certainly from the experience I had in hospital with 3 of them a month ago, I'd say they weren't adequately prepared to do that! I haven't been able to find an internist worth seeing here, and use a place whose door I never thought I'd darken - a "doc-in-the-box".
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