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No. 20
from Ilithya
Old May 28, 2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiona59 View Post
Which province do they live in? I've never heard of anyone having to pay to go to a clinic, unless they do not have provincial health numbers.
Alberta. They live in Grande Prairie
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No. 21
from blue note
Old May 28, 2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pebbles View Post
Also gotta say that there is more to the world of health care that just Canada/ The USA. Loads of other countries with universal health care out there - so why is Canada/US always the big debate? As someone else aid, neither of us do it perfectly.
Well, yes and no. The Canadian/single payer system is not perfect (and to dismiss any system because it is not perfect is pretty ridiculous because no system is, or can be), but I would characterize it as having some flaws. In contrast, the American health care system as it stands now, is broken and fails way too many people. A pretty significance difference when comparing the two imo.

As for why Canada is always the one being compared, I guess for many writers, it's just easier to compare the American system with something that is closest to us geographically, culturally, etc. If you read the discussions in the threads about this issue, you will find links to other articles or studies about other health care systems, like the European countries.
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No. 22
from Fiona59
Old May 28, 2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilithya View Post
Alberta. They live in Grande Prairie

I live in Alberta, a couple of 100kms, south of them and have NEVER had to pay. Do they have health cards?
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No. 23
Old May 28, 2009, 03:16 PM

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I know folks like the lady in the story who never give up their Canadian citizenship (and go "home" for x amount of time a year) just so they can keep their Canadian health insurance.

I also think that we should go single payer; I've put too many patients in body bags who didn't go to the doc for the breast lump, rectal bleeding, or recurrent headaches because they didn't have insurance -- when they finally come in, it's too late. I also think we should change the laws so that an ER trip costs more than an office visit, and if you're on assistance and go to the ER for non emergency stuff, it gets taken out of your check (with lots of education on what's an emergency and what's not). Maybe that would keep our "demerol and diet soda q2h" group out of the ER.
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No. 24
from Fiona59
Old May 28, 2009, 05:36 PM

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Hey, I once had someone call from South Carolina to an office I was working in. She'd live down there for 45 years, was retiring and wanted admitted to our programme STAT, she'd have this doctor, attend x times a week and she'd be dropping by next week for a visit.

Had to tell her it just doesn't work that way.

What you are referring to is a group of seniors known as "snowbirds". They travel to warmer climate mid October and return about now. Most are fairly well off and have second homes in Florida, Arizona, New Mexico. It's amazing how sick they are when the surface every spring.
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No. 25
from ivanh3
Old May 28, 2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tgirl84 View Post
Are you guys stopping to think about the choices you'll be giving up? And to those who think doctors charge too much, think of all the people who go to the hospital every year, who must be seen, but don't pay a dime! Majority of the people I take care of in the ER personally. Most the time it isn't even an "emergency", they know they will be seen, but won't have to pay! Government again at its finest...
You know if giving up some choices would allow all US citizens to be covered, then yes...I could live with that. Also for the record, if only "emergencies" came to the ER then you would be out of a job and guess what else...health insurance. Then you could go wait with the rest the "patients" who don't have health insurance.
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No. 26
from Ilithya
Old May 28, 2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiona59 View Post
I live in Alberta, a couple of 100kms, south of them and have NEVER had to pay. Do they have health cards?
Im not sure. I don't even know what a health card is...
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No. 27
Old May 28, 2009, 09:06 PM
Updated May 28, 2009 at 09:38 PM by loriangel14

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All Canadian citizens have a health card that they present at the doctors office, clinic or health care facility to obtain free care. They are similar to a credit or bank card with a magnetic strip that contains your personal information.

No one would be charged to go a clinic.
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No. 28
from TomLM
Old May 28, 2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tgirl84 View Post
Why do all Canadians with money come to the states to get high risk surgery? Because it's not as great as it sounds folks! Universal Care has its advantages, but let's not forget the disadvantages, namely paying a butt-load of taxes. I was born in Canada, my father went to medical school there, and the day he graduated, he moved to the US to complete his residency here and never went back. He REFUSES to work there! Do you like going to the DMV? Well, that is what going to the doctor will be like if Uncle Sam is running the show. I'd personally would have a choice of which specialist I go and see, another thing I would give up with Universal Health care. Are you guys stopping to think about the choices you'll be giving up? And to those who think doctors charge too much, think of all the people who go to the hospital every year, who must be seen, but don't pay a dime! Majority of the people I take care of in the ER personally. Most the time it isn't even an "emergency", they know they will be seen, but won't have to pay! Government again at its finest...
The DMV! Oh the horror! I don't know what state you're in, but the DMV ain't that bad in the eight or nine states I've lived in. The car insurance industry is much, much worse than the DMV. Think about it.

All Canadians with money come here for high risk surgery? Please cite a source for that statistic. I had no idea....

As for government health care, have you ever been in a military hospital? My family and I have, outpatient, inpatient, open-heart surgery, emergency care. It was fine, better than fine. We were not plunged into debt nor driven bankrupt.

I also lived in Japan, notorious for its socialized medicine (and longevity of its citizens, hmmm?). I worked there and had the same health plan as my Japanese colleagues. I was admitted to a public hospital for a suspicious tumor. Sure, I was in a multibed room with 7 other patients, but the care was top notch (and my ward mates were interesting). I was in for 10 days. My out of pocket costs were 10,000 Yen (about $140 dollars at the time). A bargain. The Japanese DMV was efficient, but expensive. My drivers license cost about the same as a 10-day hospitalization....
Regards.

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Let's see what an early liberal had to say about how we treat each other....
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
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No. 29
Old May 28, 2009, 09:57 PM

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And in what way would going to the DMV be like Universal Health Care?

I have heard this comparison before and I would like to know what they mean by this.
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