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| No. 20 | 
Dec 28, 2008, 09:21 AM
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Dec 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM by sharrie
 Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by BroadwayRN  I don't smoke thank you, nor do I believe everything I read. I believe the reality that I have seen.
UHC, patients over 70 do not get treated for an MI because they are not tax paying productive citizens. Do you have parents? Grandparents? That's where were headed. Maybe not in the early years but by the time you're over 70 that's where we'll be.
Of course people over 70 get treated in the UK, I am really sorry that you have expereinced the personal loss of family members and I can understand why you want to blame the healthcare system they were treated in, but within the NHS that I work in each patient is treated on an individual basis, so if your 70 with an MI and minimal co-morbidities then you are treated appropriately and in a timely fashion. If your 70 and have a catastrophic MI with multiple co-morbidities with a poor prognosis then you will be treated appropriately.
My grandmother had ovarian cancer at 75 years of age, she was treated surgically and then with radiotherapy. She had another good 5 years with us before the cancer won but at all times she was given every option for active and aggressive treatment.
This myth that if your old you wont get treated is just that a myth
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Dec 28, 2008, 01:27 PM
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care
Sharrie,
Thanks for stating so eloquently what I stated so clumsily.
HM2
| | No. 23 |
Dec 28, 2008, 09:10 PM
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Dec 28, 2008 at 09:29 PM by RedCell
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by herring_RN Those 10 Excellent reasons are:
1. It's good for our health.
2. It costs less and saves money.
3. It will assure high quality health care for all Americans, rich or poor.
4. It's the best choice - morally and economically.
5. It may be a matter of life or death.
6. It will let will let doctors and nurses focus on patients, not paperwork.
7. It will reduce health care disparities.
8. It will eliminate medical debet.
9. It will be good for labor and business.
10. It's what most Americans want - and we can make it happen. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1...045/529/674753
Listen dude, I went to school, took out loans, worked hard for what I wanted. Actually ate a peanut butter sandwich almost everyday I was in anesthesia school because it helped to save money. Now I will be doing a job that that will pay a decent amount of money.
Take my brother. Dropped out of college. Used his school loans to pay for "rims" for his car, cable tv with all the movie channels, cell phone, lots of other worthless crap. Now he works as a waiter living paycheck to paycheck while still trying to pay for all this worthless crap. He doesnt have health insurance because he can't afford it after paying his cable and cell phone bill.
Now, it is not my place to tell him how to live his life. It is not the government's place to tell me how to live mine. Why should I work hard only to have the government take a portion of my money to give it to my dumbass brother?
People need to be responsible for themselves. This is the greatest nation to ever exist. If you cannot make it in the United States of America it is your own fault barring you have some kind of devastating mental or physical handicap. Why do you think so many people try to get in to this country? Some people chronically make bad decisions, others expect things to be handed to them; these are the ones that fail in life and in the end the blame for this lies entirely on them.
Besides, I have lived and worked in other countries that have universal health coverage. Believe me...it SUCKS. And while I do realize that the current system has problems, they are nothing compared to those created by socialist universal coverage systems.
| | No. 24 |
Dec 28, 2008, 09:38 PM
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by RedCell Now, it is not my place to tell him how to live his life. It is not the government's place to tell me how to live mine. Why should I work hard only to have the government take a portion of my money to give it to my dumbass brother?
People need to be responsible for themselves. This is the greatest nation to ever exist. If you cannot make it in the United States of America it is your own fault barring you have some kind of devastating mental or physical handicap. Why do you think so many people try to get in to this country? Some people chronically make bad decisions, others expect things to be handed to them; these are the ones that fail in life and in the end the blame for this lies entirely on them.
hate to tell you this, but the govt is already taking a portion of your money to share with your brother.
and btw, i live paycheck to paycheck and i am a nurse/paramedic. no physical or mental handicap. student loans, rent, groceries, car insurance, phone bill. get paid once a month. stuggle just like lots of people in this country. one emergency would put me underwater.
i have really bad asthma. recently had pneumonia. had to go to my primary and then pulmonologist. i have health insurance and still ended up with $120 copay plus $60 for meds. had to go on a payment plan so they didn't report me to collections.
universal health care would benefit me greatly.  | | No. 25 |
Dec 28, 2008, 10:05 PM
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by flightnurse2b hate to tell you this, but the govt is already taking a portion of your money to share with your brother.
and btw, i live paycheck to paycheck and i am a nurse/paramedic. no physical or mental handicap. student loans, rent, groceries, car insurance, phone bill. get paid once a month. stuggle just like lots of people in this country. one emergency would put me underwater.
i have really bad asthma. recently had pneumonia. had to go to my primary and then pulmonologist. i have health insurance and still ended up with $120 copay plus $60 for meds. had to go on a payment plan so they didn't report me to collections.
universal health care would benefit me greatly.
You tell me this story and yet you pay for a premium membership on this website. These are the decisions I was talking about in my previous post dude.
| | No. 26 |
Dec 28, 2008, 10:22 PM
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by RedCell Listen dude, I went to school, took out loans, worked hard for what I wanted. Actually ate a peanut butter sandwich almost everyday I was in anesthesia school because it helped to save money. Now I will be doing a job that that will pay a decent amount of money.
Take my brother. Dropped out of college. Used his school loans to pay for "rims" for his car, cable tv with all the movie channels, cell phone, lots of other worthless crap. Now he works as a waiter living paycheck to paycheck while still trying to pay for all this worthless crap. He doesnt have health insurance because he can't afford it after paying his cable and cell phone bill.
Now, it is not my place to tell him how to live his life. It is not the government's place to tell me how to live mine. Why should I work hard only to have the government take a portion of my money to give it to my dumbass brother?
People need to be responsible for themselves. This is the greatest nation to ever exist. If you cannot make it in the United States of America it is your own fault barring you have some kind of devastating mental or physical handicap. Why do you think so many people try to get in to this country? Some people chronically make bad decisions, others expect things to be handed to them; these are the ones that fail in life and in the end the blame for this lies entirely on them.
Besides, I have lived and worked in other countries that have universal health coverage. Believe me...it SUCKS. And while I do realize that the current system has problems, they are nothing compared to those created by socialist universal coverage systems.
For any nurse who takes the attitude that "people who want health coverage should go to school and get a good job, like I did", let me just offer a few thoughts:
1. There are and always will be a lot of jobs needed in the world that are relatively low paying jobs, require relatively little schooling to do and give the workers who do them relatively little bargaining leverage. The people who cook your restaurant meals, pick up your garbage, clean your hotel room, perhaps care for your child while you are at work. Most of those jobs today do not offer health insurance. Are you, as a nurse, content that those people should die when they get sick? Are you, as a nurse content that a cancer diagnosis should be an automatic death sentence for them? Are you content that they should have no access to things like treatment for high blood pressure or diabetes? Do you believe that people who do those jobs, who work long hours for low pay, are less a human being than you? Less deserving of life than you?
Or if that just went right by you, try it this way:
2. As more and more Americans are added to the 45 million who have no health coverage and the 15 million more whose coverage is so bad they can't afford to use it, do you think that somebody will start to say something like this: "The reason we can't afford care is that all those nurses are making such high salaries and such good benefits. We need to cut those nurse wages so the rest of us can afford to get care." Have you not noticed the way that government workers are blamed for high taxes? The constant pressure to cut their wages and benefits? How lone will it take, how many people without care, before they come after us?
Or, if that doesn't do it for you, try this:
3. Of the 29 richest countrie in the world, the US spends about twice as much on healthcare as the others, on average and gets no better results on any scale one can measure. And the US is the only one in which private insurance plays a central role. You can have your scare stories, I'll take actual data.
So whichever works for you: simple humanity, self interest, or logic and reason, the answer is the same.
| | No. 27 |
Dec 28, 2008, 10:28 PM
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by HM2Viking
I work for the VA in real life, the VA uses medical students, nursing students, and any other kind of student that it can, it encourages using students. so your argument is flawed. Has the VA improved over the years as one wastefull government entity, yes it has. The waiting times to see a primary care provider at the VA in reality are 2 to 3 monthes, to get an eye appointment 4 months. The mental health both inpatient and outpatient were not really set up to handle a younger combat veteran population, but they are adjusting. If anything, the VA is a reason why we dont want total socialized medicine in the USA. Veterans are a special population who were promised benefits from the government in exchange for their services in the military. That health care is a benefit of service, not a welfare entitlement by the way.
O yea before you start telling me how mean I am, I am also a combat veteran as a combat medic, so i know as a patient how things roll
| | No. 28 |
Dec 29, 2008, 12:12 AM
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by RedCell You tell me this story and yet you pay for a premium membership on this website. These are the decisions I was talking about in my previous post dude.
i paid $30 a year to support this website, it's members and it's staff because i believe in AN and i think it is a wonderful place. that is different than me buying rims for my car.
quick to judge, aren't we?
| | No. 29 |
Dec 29, 2008, 01:05 AM
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Dec 29, 2008 at 01:06 AM by Not_A_Hat_Person
Re: 10 Excellent Reasons for National Health Care Originally Posted by patrick1rn The waiting times to see a primary care provider at the VA in reality are 2 to 3 months, to get an eye appointment 4 months.
Here in Boston, the average wait to see a PCP (assuming you can find one) is the same. Veterans are a special population who were promised benefits from the government in exchange for their services in the military. That health care is a benefit of service, not a welfare entitlement by the way.
So government-funded healthcare is welfare, unless it's for the military? Does this mean members of Congress are on welfare? Is Medicare welfare?
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