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- Quote from PetsToPeopleI agree with your statements. As a guardian or parent, if someone said that and my child or younger sibling came home crying because they heard something like that I would be absolutely livid! No o am only 19 and sm most definite not a parent. I am however an active older sibling who have to confront staff and students who were bullying my brother who is very quiet. To be sure, though the op didn't say that verbally during the situation, im sure she was just using that to describe the situation to us here. She was venting as we must all do sometimes. However, as a fellow student nurse enjoying NS, if my any of my instructors ever heard me refer to a client that has peed on themselves in such a manner, or called a psychiatric patient "crazy" in clinical or class they would give out an unsatisfactory and send me home. We have had it happen twice to other students already. No one says it was easy, but we as nurses and aspiring nurses must maintain professionalism in all aspects of our career. That's why nurses are one I'd the most trusted and respected professionals because they are empathetic.
I do support you, in everything else you said except for the inappropriate phrase of "peepee pants". And I am having fun in nursing school, as a matter of fact I am having a blast, making excellent grades and my last clinical instructor said I was way ahead of where a student nurse would be at this time, so thank you. I have no problem supporting fellow nurses when they act in a professional manner and therefore are deserving of said support.Last edit by PatMac10,RN on Apr 14, '12
- On another point, it's sad that the OP has a lack of support, no wonder she might be frustrated. I've worked in the float of a local hospital. Since I turned 18 a year and half ago. Most of the time on in the ED and people don't realize that we must prioritize care. People can be selfish at times. Also, when it comes to all nurses I think it is important to realize that this a community where nurses talk about nursing, and honestly. But it is also a community for ALL Nurses, meaning those licensed, or yet to be licensed. So when we "vent" we ate at risk for someone venting about us venting! People come here to get the truth , but people also come here to tell us the truth. The truth about there experiences with nurses and the like. Sadly, "comebacks " are used, whether people wish to see it or not. Not just here but on SDN, and other forums because people get offended or have their own opinion. As long a people can agree to disagree peacefully, then go for it. I am not necessarily saying that this was the case here though, even though that what the situation lends itself to.
- Apr 14, '12 by SchoolNurseTXstyleQuote from JolieThank you so much Jolie for your support and UNDERSTANDING as a licensed and experienced school nurse. To the holier than thou nursing students : When did I ever state that I called these children peepee pants to their face? It was a " description" in a post! I have no problem with sharing thoughts and info with students, this site is for everyone! However, you have to give respect to get it! I am a campus nurse, I mentor new school nurses, I have a lot of school nurse friends. All of us use the term peepee pants "amongst ourselves." Our lives our dedicated to caring for these children, none of us would ever treat them with anything but with TLC because that's what school nurses do. I remember being on these boards when I was a student and thinking some posts sounded harsh. Now, I have what you guys just don't have yet! Real live independent nursing experience and that brings a different understanding to the table. You'll see!You did not hear the OP refer to anyone by a derogatory name. Neither did anyone else, because those words were never uttered. You came to a discussion board intended for school nurses and read a post in which she vented about a particularly frustrating situation in which educational staff members failed to recognize or acknowledge the life-threatening nature of a student's condition. You then proceeded to chastize her for expressing said frustration to her fellow school nurses on the BB in a way that you do not like.If the OP had indeed remarked out loud about a student's peepee pants, you wouldn't need to "have her job," it would already be long gone, and rightfully so. But that is not what happened, so such threats are out of place.I am not aware of any participants here who rely on "comebacks." We post here to vent and share ideas, not rip each other, because we understand the frustrations, working conditions and situations that we all share. We also recognize that the use of edgy language and imagery here is a means of blowing off steam, and does not reflect any of our actual habits in professional practice.Any and all are welcome on this board, students included. But when students or the uninitiated choose to criticize rather than ask questions, they run the risk of exposing their own lack of knowledge, experience and understanding. Your harsh commentary would tend to indicate that you have no better understanding of the initial situation than the staff members who complained about the inattention to wet britches and broken glasses as another student struggled to breathe. A lost opportunity to learn about cooperation, prioritization and emergency care.
- Like I stated earlier, I was positive that you didn't say this during the situation. We all must vent, but we also all have an opinion that we ate entitled to state whenever we please? Which can really cause a lot trouble. I also stared that it was sad you had a lack of support and that having that lack can make you understandably frustrated. So if anything I personally said, was holier than thou, then send me my halo and wings and call it a day.
- Apr 14, '12 by Baubo516It sounds like the teachers at your school could use some training in dealing with non-emergency situations! Also - training in treating a fellow staff member with respect. I see a topic for a future in-service. Sorry you had to deal with this!
- I agree that I have said much, much, much worse things about people and patients in generals hole venting, does it make it acceptable for me to say and do such things, no its not, according to my personal values. I guess I'm mores sensitive with children, they are naive and helpless in many ways. Perhaps your right that my opinion will change, I highly doubt it because I've always been one to be open-minded, yet hard to deter from my beliefs, and that can be a good and a bad thing. I aimed not to judge the op, because as a CNA now I have night where I am the only CNA on a 17 pt critical care unit and I get frustrated that many nurses are pulling at me to go do 20 different things. I can't be totally upset with them though, because I know, as a student nurse that there are times when you truly need an sides help.
I appreciate your approach to your comment though. You were very civil about it.
- Apr 15, '12 by nhnursieI think some of us need to play nice and understand that this is a confidential place to vent....we should not be passing judgment on others, especially when we have not walked in their shoes. The point was being made regarding having to juggle a multitude of SICK kids and a very selfish teacher wants a piece of her then, for real?????
Sometimes I understand how and why nurses eat their young.....
- Apr 15, '12 by MerlynQuote from SchoolNurseTXstyleGet use to it, kid, this is nursing. People are not going to look if you need help , you have to tell them. Every nurse when working is in their own little would by that I mean they have their own work to do. You have to be more forceful. Your going to have to put up with people like this throughout your career.I can't believe how rude teachers / staff are. I had 13 kids in my clinic. An asthma attack, 2 head injuries, a fever, 2 peepee pants etc, etc. STANDING ROOM ONLY!! One staff member comes in wanting me to check her blood pressure because she is just curious to know (no complaints at all). Another teacher questions why I told the kid with broken glasses to come back later. Ughhhhh, do you not see the kid in the corner turning blue around the lips? That's why! Another teacher comes demanding to know why I am keeping the peepe pants kid so long because he is missing a test. Well, blue lips in the corner over there and I ran out of all clothes 2 months ago. Seriously I am one person! Somebody is going to have to wait. Why do people at school think everything should be done t the drop of a hat? I am waiting for the day when I am performing CPR and somebody tells me I need to stop because there is a kid with a paper cut who desperately needs my immediate attention. Ok, vent over! Thanks for listening.
- Apr 16, '12 by ChristineAdrianaRNQuote from PetsToPeopleUm, wow. Pretty sure she was referring to the pants having peepee on them, and not the students themselves. And even if she as referring to the student, she clearly would not say it to a student or wherever they would hear.The fact that you would ask means it would be a waste of time to explain it to you. It sounds exactly like what another student would call one who has had an "accident" to make fun of or tease them.
Never mind, moving on, because some times you have to cut your losses and realize "you can't fix stupid".
I agree that it's pretty clear you either aren't a nurse, or you haven't been one for very long. Just wait, girlie. You're going to have days when you need to vent, too. Though it's very likely you won't make it very far if your oversensitivity and rigid attitude are any indication. Also, calling me stupid is incredibly out of line and your rudeness is going to bite you in the ass sooner rather than later. I would absolutely never want you to be my or my loved one's nurse. Grow up.Last edit by ChristineAdrianaRN on Apr 16, '12
- Apr 17, '12 by FlareOne of the more fascinating aspects of the job of a school nurse is the sense of immediacy that every situation presents with. Students start blurting out their litany of complaints to me before they are even in the room. Can't tell you how many times i've had students and staff burst into my office, pay no regard that i'm already on the telephone handling another issue, and get annoyed because i'll quietly hold up the "one second" hand motion. You go to your primary doc, you may wait 20 to 30 minutes just to get into a treatment room. Go to an ER - could get seen in 5 minutes, could be 3 hours - depends on what else comes through the door.
Sure a school health clinic is a far cry from an urban ER - but the same principles of prioritizing in nursing exist no matter where you go. I try to remind my staff and my students of that concept from time to time.
As far as using terms that some people object to - well... you should hear the things that run through my mind and get filtered out before i speak to my students/staff/parents. Forums like these are a chance to let the filter have a bit of a rest within reason. Although it seems sometimes, the longer you've been doing this, the worse your filter works.