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Insert GIANT eye roll So I am manually entering all of our Kindergarten students into Power School and I catch a student who still needs DTaP #5, MMR/Varivax #2, IPV #4 and ALL Hep B. She has had... Read More

  1. by   MrNurse(x2)
    Quote from lovethejobbut...
    I agree with you. I have never said that I am anti-vaccinations, I am just not liking the tone of some of these posts. These people are still our patients, and this is a public domain...I don't think it is professional to be so disrespectful on a public domain. A discussion in private with your colleagues is one thing, but here, I'm not so sure. And for the record I have no problem with the tone of your post, I completely understand what you're saying.
    OK, please look at the forum you came into. These are not our patients, they are students. Do not come into our nurses' station and make assumptions. I would never go to the Maternal Child forum and start coming off as holier than thou when I know NOTHING of that world. We welcome you to come and visit, but please be aware that the tone here is not your typical AN, so we respond like this when it creeps in. We are coworkers here, as most are independent in their position and the only health care worker in that environment, we need this to bounce ideas and gather info.
  2. by   ana010
    Quote from lovethejobbut...
    I agree with you. I have never said that I am anti-vaccinations, I am just not liking the tone of some of these posts. These people are still our patients, and this is a public domain...I don't think it is professional to be so disrespectful on a public domain. A discussion in private with your colleagues is one thing, but here, I'm not so sure. And for the record I have no problem with the tone of your post, I completely understand what you're saying.

    So you are being judgmental about your perceived judgment of others?
  3. by   grammy1
    Quote from MrsNurse08
    Here in the state of California, you can no longer use religious views to be exempt from school vaccinations, only medical.
    I love that! Sometimes I want to question these parents and ask about their religion, but heaven knows we can't upset them.
  4. by   NutmeggeRN
    Quote from 1nurse4you
    I thought vaccines are required by law in all states
    Nope.
  5. by   OyWithThePoodles
    Quote from Cas1in72
    I have to agree with OD 100%. I was a hospital based nurse, in OB/PEDS for 19 years before becoming a school nurse. NEVER in a million years would I have thought it would be as hard ( or as rewarding) as it is. While these posts may sound biased or judgmental, there is a lot of "gray area" for people outside of the specialty. I think what isnt explained, is the frustration when one week a parent is claiming religious exemption, the next gets their shots, or on Tuesday has a MD sign that little Johhny is gluten allergic, but on Wednesday he hates what the school is feeding him so Mom wants us to "cancel" the allergy. Its the flip flop frustration , Im guessing, that makes us sound judgmental. I will say that it does frustrate me when a parent believes that their child is somehow more important than others. I am a parent of 3 children, they are my world. I get we love our kids and sometimes cant think beyond that. I have concerns for my immune-compromised kids, I have concerns for the kids that aren't vaccinated. I have 700+ kids I am responsible for on a daily basis. I believe people have the right to say "No" Just dont flip-flop, stand on your convictions.
    Just today I had another staff member make me aware of our very strict gluten free student who came to their house this weekend and ate not a drop of gluten-free food. But you can bet your sweet bippy snowflake HAD to have a gluten free breakfast. C'mon now!
  6. by   MisRN
    When I first started as a school nurse, we had a parent who had 3 children and had most of their childhood vaccinations done, but when the baby had a delay in speech, mom stopped all vaccines (see where this is going???). She had the notarized Religious Exemption form done for each of them. When the measles outbreak happened in California a couple years back, she decided to take them for their second MMR. Our administration and the outgoing nurse had been up in arms as to if they were still considered exempt on religious grounds or if this negates it all together.

    What we learned was that (in Virginia) the laws are so loosely written, that we couldn't enforce anything. She could essentially cherry-pick the vaccines she wanted to have and hide under the guise of "religious" exemption for the ones she didn't. It was so aggravating!
  7. by   MisRN
    Quote from K_NM_rn
    On a side note, I'm finding it really interesting that people in other states can seemingly so easily opt out of vaccines. Here, parents have to fill out an exemption form, provide "proof" of objections (medical requires a letter from a doctor, religious requires something in print that shows the religion's specific objection. Philosophical objection is no longer valid), have it notarized, send it to the DOH, wait for the DOH to approve or not, and then give the school a copy of the approved form. If the DOH does not approve, they can appeal, but we can also recommend disenrollment after 3 written notices. Is it easier in other states? Or pretty similar?
    Oh my goodness, I WISH we had a process that is clearly outlined like this! It's waaaaayyyyy too easy for parents to opt out!
  8. by   Cattz
    Missouri changed things up just a little bit a few years ago. Before, school nurses were allowed to keep and give out the exemption cards. Now, parents are encouraged to go to the Health Dept or their Doctor, so that they can be educated better about the shots. (And, I do not want the responsibility of doing the educating, in case I didn't cover enough and a parent decides to blame ME for the kiddo getting sick with something that is vaccine preventable). I was SOOOOO glad about this. I had inherited some exemption cards from the nurse before me that worked out of the Health Department-- I dropped those things in the trash like a hot potato. Currently, our exemptions are for Medical and Religious- and in Preschool- a "Parent Exemption" is also allowed. When they get to be K-12 grades..the "Parent Exemption" suddenly becomes a Religious Exemption. Makes me just shake my head E.V.E.R.Y. T.I.M.E. !
  9. by   MHDNURSE
    Quote from NutmeggeRN
    Nope.
    Varies State by State, School District by School District, and really even school by school. In my state, I am supposed to "exclude" but our school really tries hard not to.
  10. by   AdobeRN
    While I would prefer everyone to be up to date with the vaccines - my opinion doesn't matter to some parents, honestly I really don't care about parents reasons/excuses regarding not getting the immunizations. Just don't be that parent that fights me on the paperwork - either get the immunizations in a timely manner or provide me with the proper documentation from the state - Do not make me harass you for the documentation - just get it done and nobody would even bother you/question you about the reason or beliefs behind the decision....at least I don't.
  11. by   Cattz
    Quote from AdobeRN
    While I would prefer everyone to be up to date with the vaccines - my opinion doesn't matter to some parents, honestly I really don't care about parents reasons/excuses regarding not getting the immunizations. Just don't be that parent that fights me on the paperwork - either get the immunizations in a timely manner or provide me with the proper documentation from the state - Do not make me harass you for the documentation - just get it done and nobody would even bother you/question you about the reason or beliefs behind the decision....at least I don't.
    THIS>>>>>E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. I wish they all had their shots too, but, I know that I am not their parent and I respect that. A lady that I work with that takes care of some of my duties when I am not in the building. She has beautiful, well-loved kids. One of them has terrible allergies, they have chosen not to vaccinate her. We have talked about it several times, she is almost apologetic. She knows I am the "Shot Police". We respect each other's opinions and reasons ...I have a job to do as the school nurse, and she has a job to do as a very loving mother. I just tell her, "We all have our "thing". When she asks my opinion, I give it to her, out of concern for her little one with no shots...especially with whooping cough and when the measles outbreak happen(ed). She also hates the flu shot, and declares she didn't get it last year, and was the only one in the building that didn't get sick last year...OoooKay.
  12. by   Flare
    So my state allows us to grant provisional admission as long as there is one dose of everything and the students are "actively" in the process of receiving the rest. They apparently have 12 month to receive the shots to get onto interval schedule. So I generally don't follow this unless there is a compelling reason (like next shot due is a not at time of admission) and will require full compliance before i will allow admission. Do you guys think my interpretation of this is correct? I say if the student is due for a dtap and a polio then to begin, get the dtap and polio. None of this "we're going to schedule it at his next physical" stuff because that never happens and then I'm left holding the non-compliance bag.
  13. by   kidzcare
    Quote from AdobeRN
    While I would prefer everyone to be up to date with the vaccines - my opinion doesn't matter to some parents, honestly I really don't care about parents reasons/excuses regarding not getting the immunizations. Just don't be that parent that fights me on the paperwork - either get the immunizations in a timely manner or provide me with the proper documentation from the state - Do not make me harass you for the documentation - just get it done and nobody would even bother you/question you about the reason or beliefs behind the decision....at least I don't.
    Yassssss!!!

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