School Shootings - page 4

Sad that we may need a category for this. Another school shooting in NoCal. Thinking of NoCalMimi and hoping she's okay.... Read More

  1. by   NutmeggeRN
    Quote from Cattz
    Oh, I am going. It just seems so stupid that I would even have to have these thoughts.
    I learned a long time ago, feelings are not right or wrong, they just are. How you react to them is a different matter all together!
  2. by   Farawyn
    Quote from kidzcare
    Kneeling during the anthem is a completely different topic and has been (purposefully) misconstrued by many in an attempt to not discuss racial inequality.

    Analogy:

    Person: I am volunteering at the homeless shelter this weekend because I want to help out those less fortunate than me
    Naysayer: No. You are going so you can post about it on Facebook to stroke your ego.
    Person: I post on FB to raise awareness. I feel strongly about helping the homeless and want others to be aware that there is a major problem.
    Naysayer: So selfish.


    I know plenty of veterans who do not feel slighted in the least by this peaceful protest that in no way violates the flag code.
    You know I love you.
  3. by   OldDude
    Quote from kidzcare
    Kneeling during the anthem is a completely different topic and has been (purposefully) misconstrued by many in an attempt to not discuss racial inequality.

    Analogy:

    Person: I am volunteering at the homeless shelter this weekend because I want to help out those less fortunate than me
    Naysayer: No. You are going so you can post about it on Facebook to stroke your ego.
    Person: I post on FB to raise awareness. I feel strongly about helping the homeless and want others to be aware that there is a major problem.
    Naysayer: So selfish.


    I know plenty of veterans who do not feel slighted in the least by this peaceful protest that in no way violates the flag code.
    NO - I can't make the connection from your analogy and knowing veterans who do not feel slighted is just an example of the why they should be honored; they are people of honor and integrity and served because of their love of country and family so some of them could care less if some overpaid dufus in a football costume kneels for the national anthem. I know my dad wouldn't give it second thought...if he was here to see it!!
  4. by   OldDude
    Quote from Farawyn
    You know I love you.
    And I do too!!
  5. by   AdobeRN
    My dad is an old country boy, vietnam vet, retired military, has taught conceal/carry class for years - he knows how to use a gun. But I would give my dad a hard time about always having that gun on him - well not after the incident a couple of weeks ago. He told me last night I had "to eat crow" because I would tell him all time he was silly/ridiculus for carrying a gun to church.
  6. by   kidzcare
    Quote from OldDude
    NO - I can't make the connection from your analogy and knowing veterans who do not feel slighted is just an example of the why they should be honored; they are people of honor and integrity and served because of their love of country and family so some of them could care less if some overpaid dufus in a football costume kneels for the national anthem. I know my dad wouldn't give it second thought...if he was here to see it!!
    Quote from OldDude
    And I do too!!
    I know our beliefs differ and I love you too!

    I hope you are equally outspoken about those who openly violate what is against the flag code (laying the flag flat, say across a sports field, using the flag as or on clothing, using the flag in advertising of any products) and the lawmakers that disrespect our veterans by voting against policies that ensure their access to mental health care.
    Last edit by kidzcare on Nov 16
  7. by   Farawyn
    Quote from OldDude
    NO - I can't make the connection from your analogy and knowing veterans who do not feel slighted is just an example of the why they should be honored; they are people of honor and integrity and served because of their love of country and family so some of them could care less if some overpaid dufus in a football costume kneels for the national anthem. I know my dad wouldn't give it second thought...if he was here to see it!!
    It doesn't break Flag Code to kneel.
    The NFL wants to enforce it, as a private organization? Then do it.

    As far as the NFL, I guess rape, drugs and spousal abuse is fine, but for the love of God DON'T kneel in silent protest.



    I didn't want this can to open, but there it is. The worms are allllllll over.
  8. by   kidzcare
    Quote from Farawyn
    It doesn't break Flag Code to kneel.
    The NFL wants to enforce it, as a private organization? Then do it.

    As far as the NFL, I guess rape, drugs and spousal abuse is fine, but for the love of God DON'T kneel in silent protest.



    I didn't want this can to open, but there it is. The worms are allllllll over.
    Try to control your worms, Woman!!
    *(stealthily hides my can opener)*
  9. by   OldDude
    Quote from AdobeRN
    My dad is an old country boy, vietnam vet, retired military, has taught conceal/carry class for years - he knows how to use a gun. But I would give my dad a hard time about always having that gun on him - well not after the incident a couple of weeks ago. He told me last night I had "to eat crow" because I would tell him all time he was silly/ridiculus for carrying a gun to church.
    He and I need to have a few beers together.
  10. by   OyWithThePoodles
    Quote from Farawyn

    As far as the NFL, I guess rape, drugs and spousal abuse is fine, but for the love of God DON'T kneel in silent protest.
    This. Do I like that they kneel during the anthem? No. But as you said, no one boycotts when yet another player is arrested for drug use, DUI, dog fighting, beating the crap out of the S.O. in an elevator. It's hypocritical in my opinion. I think it's crappy to kneel during the anthem, but I respect that they are PEACEFULLY protesting.
  11. by   NunNurseCat
    Yes the mass shootings are very upsetting.

    Now, before I get into it I should tell a bit about myself. I do not play political parties, I am neither Elephant or Donkey, but a free-thinking person. I learn about issues and decide based on what I believe is right. I have been wrong in my life, I've made mistakes, and I have learned much. I believe that is part of the purpose of life. I own firearms and I am trained to handle them. I abhor violence, I hate war, but I like shooting targets and what is called plinking. I was in the Navy, and I don't care if a person kneels for the anthem, it's not about me...they are exercising their rights in a peaceful, dignified manner and our forces exist to protect such freedoms. I believe in this country, I believe in dialogue, and I believe the minute we stop talking and start shouting at one another (as we have been collectively doing) then emotion takes the front seat and the conversation will not go anywere; it is over.

    Now the mass shootings and school shootings are terrible and have accelerated since Columbine, but the truth is people are getting shot every single day one or two at a time. In my city I have witnessed kids use their parent-imparted training to scatter and run at the sound of shots. A few weeks ago I was talking to a parent whose child was playing a sport, in a park, and the child was hit by a bullet during a random drive-by. I could go on with many stories, but what I am putting home here is that mass shootings are traumatizing, but are only a glimpse of the the number of deaths by firearm every single day.

    I believe the issue is cultural, with many contributing factors. Our culture seems to value human life and the universality of pain and suffering less each year.

    First, people are frustrated. They work hard and get less and less in return. Inreasingly people are thrown aside from jobs or career paths like they are a disposable item. Most people can handle it, and at least don't move to killing people. Many cannot take it. Some choose destruction.

    Add in a popular culture of violence and graphic images, for instance turn on the TV and go through the programs and say "if this show has violence, gunfire, war, blood and guts, crime..then I won't watch it" and see how many you eliminate. Video exists on genuine news websites of people being shot, LEO body cams of mass shootings are made public, etc.. Also graphic images/ video of real violence and death are available on the internet for anyone to explore. A Rabbit Hole exists on the web into which a person can anonymously fall deeper and deeper. Now lets not even get into video games...just suffice it to say that violence has become part of our culture.

    Now let's add in the absolute ease with which we can buy firearms and have them ready to go. What happens is we get a mixture of opportunity and means, and then a person bends...bendsss...and then a motive occurs and they *SNAP* and do the unthinkable. Oh but just imagine how many more people out there have thought about doing the unthinkable!

    Where I live buying a firearm is much easier than buying a car. No license or registration needed. Buying from a private seller is more on par with buying something off of craiglist. You find a an ad and call someone, meet them, they show you a gun, you show them an ID (no background check), they take your money and off ya go. Want to buy more ammunition? The cheapest place is Wal-Mart, so why not drop in to buy some ammo and and grab some milk while you're at it?

    I support restricted access to firearms, required licensure, registration and tax the heck out of purchases. Ammunition should require firearm licensure, a weapon owned of the ammunition type, and tracking of purchases. If you want a gun bad enough, if you jump through the hoops and pass the exams, if you pay the price...then okay you can have the weapons. Many firearms need to be bought-back, and for a high enough price that it's worth it to the person to turn it over...and then the weapon needs to be destroyed. There are simply too many guns. If a person is caught posessing a weapon without proper licensure, then there need to be repercussions, they should be fined and required to do community service. Now of course this will not have an immediate effect, it would likely take decades before there's noticeable difference. One more thing. Anyone who says they need a firearm to protect themselves from the government is either lying or blissfully unaware of modern weapons' capabilities.

    Violence will always occur, but there is no reason firearms should be less regulated than a controlled substance. And yes I am aware there is an opioid crisis, there has been a drug problem in this country for generations and I have seen it up close. But just imagine if there was no regulation and no restriction on sales of opiates. If buying fentanyl were as easy and cheap as buying a gun...do you think this opiate crisis would be worse?

    The gun violence is a symptom of a disease that has progressed for far to long, we cannot do nothing and expect it to go away.
    Last edit by NunNurseCat on Nov 16
  12. by   kidzcare
    Well stated NunNurseCat.
  13. by   Farawyn
    NNCat, I'm going to link what you said to a gun thread over on The Breakroom (The Blue Side)
    Thank you so much.

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