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No. 20
from Castymiss
Old Apr 11, 2009, 12:39 PM

Default Re: Will BSN get jobs over ASN in this recession?
I went to an RN to BSN program at a State University...Cost about $ 9,000.00 for the 3 year program. That is very do able. I went ONE day a week. Worked 12 hour shifts three days a week and still had 3 to 4 days to study. I did not obtain loans or grants to go to this school. My work DID give me some of the money back, but had they not have, I still would have done it. I also think that if both nurses are qualified and both do a great interview....the factor WILL come down to the degree. I also think that if the BSN flubs the interview then the AA degree nurse will get it. Especially if it is bedside care nursing. Any management position usually requires or is preferred to have at least a BSN.
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No. 21
Old Apr 17, 2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartsOpenWide View Post
I was just wondering what you think. Now that there is this recession and a lot of new grads are having a hard time getting jobs, do you think that BSN nurses will be hired over ASN nurses? I.E. similar back ground experience but BSN vs ASN degree?
Regions and hospitals vary, but for Oregon...

This spring 2009 Salem Hospital in Salem, Oregon had openings for 40 NEW graduates. These new graduate positions are only open to BSNs. Salem Hospital is looking towards Magnet Status so they are actively increasing their proportion of BSN nursing staff.

Are associates degree new grads getting squeezed out? In this case yes.
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No. 22
from Castymiss
Old Apr 18, 2009, 12:59 PM

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I live in Los Angeles and many of the hospitals have gotten rid of the New Grad programs at the hospitals due to extra costs. New Grads are having a difficult time getting hired. My daughters friend just passed boards and after a month, still does not have a job. She has an AA degree. I somewhat think that if there is a job opening and two candidates have the same experience, same everything...then YES a BSN WILL be the major factor. At the VA hospitals they are ONLY hiring BSN nurses. They also are going for Magnet Status. I will tell all AA, AS degree nurses to RETURN to school for that BSN....You only have to go for ONE day a week for 3 years, part time.
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No. 23
from RN34TX
Old Apr 19, 2009, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Castymiss View Post
I will tell all AA, AS degree nurses to RETURN to school for that BSN....You only have to go for ONE day a week for 3 years, part time.
But what is getting missed here is that this issue is regarding new grads, not experienced nurses. Bottom line is that new grads are expensive to train and risky compared to a nurse experienced in the specialty in which a facility is looking to fill a particular position.

I agree with your advice, but a new grad returning new to school getting a BSN 3 years later is no longer a new grad RN. They most likely will have been doing some type of nursing during those 3 years.

So to the new grad who has a hard time getting a job now........in 3 years will they land the job because of getting their new BSN or will it be because they now have 3 years of experience under their belt and are no longer so expensive and risky to train?

My point here is that I think that whether the nurse goes back to school for the BSN or whether he/she gets 3 years of experience without going back to school will make little difference in terms of landing a staff nurse position.

I'd be willing to bet that during these economic times, if a facility was looking at an experienced ADN resume and a new grad BSN resume, they'd be more likely to pick the experienced candidate who will be faster and cheaper to train/orient/precept. Magnet status or not.

So the BSN would only help someone who is neck in neck for the same position and both candidates were relatively equal in all other areas.
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No. 24
from Castymiss
Old Apr 19, 2009, 02:02 PM

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I do agree with you that if a hospital is hard strapped for nurses they would FIRST want an experienced nurse period....BSN or not. I think if these new grads are having such a hard time finding jobs they should go to skilled nursing homes...At least they would gain some experience..even though some hospitals require ACUTE care experience. But what are these new grads to do????. When I was a new grad 20 years ago...there were no new grad programs..hahaha...It was sink or swim and hospitals were picking us up BEFORE we even took boards. We worked as IP's...until we passed boards. My daughter is in the nursing program and I worry that she will have trouble obtaining a job...I just might have to HELP her get that first job with my knowledge and its all who you know....
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No. 25
from jpRN84
Old Apr 25, 2009, 12:06 AM

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They may also end up paying for the BSN person who wants their MSN or doctorate. Not being disrespectful or arguing, just a thought.


Originally Posted by llg View Post
Where I work, the educational preparation is a factor -- but not the only factor. The quality of the school counts, too, as well as the amount of experience and the "personality" of the applicant. We would "prefer" to hire BSN's, but only if the college has a good reputation, a track record of producing high quality nurses.

I work in an area where there are 3 local BSN programs, 2 of which are not very good. Some of the local ADN and Diploma programs produce a higher quality graduate. However, there are several excellent BSN programs a couple of hours away and we think highly of their graduates.

So ... we hire a mixture of BSN, AD, and Diploma new grads ... but our "ideal" applicant is a BSN applicant from a high quality school. It's a complicated choice made on a case by case basis.

Here's another thought from a hiring perspective. When we hire an ADN or Diploma grad, we will probably have to pay her tuition reimbursement and accommodate her scheduling requests as she goes back to school for the BSN. That adds to the expense of hiring those nurses. That's an expense the hospital doesn't have if they hire a BSN, who already has the educational qualifications for her first promotion.
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No. 26
from jpRN84
Old Apr 25, 2009, 12:09 AM

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Well, if there truly is a "Nursing Shortage", they will take anyone as long as they have that RN license. Personally, I think the diploma programs are the best as they typically give the best bedside experience. I wish I would have been able to attend one. Oh well though, c'est la vie.



Originally Posted by LinfieldNursingGuy View Post
Regions and hospitals vary, but for Oregon...

This spring 2009 Salem Hospital in Salem, Oregon had openings for 40 NEW graduates. These new graduate positions are only open to BSNs. Salem Hospital is looking towards Magnet Status so they are actively increasing their proportion of BSN nursing staff.

Are associates degree new grads getting squeezed out? In this case yes.
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No. 27
Old Apr 25, 2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RN34TX View Post
I'd be willing to bet that during these economic times, if a facility was looking at an experienced ADN resume and a new grad BSN resume, they'd be more likely to pick the experienced candidate who will be faster and cheaper to train/orient/precept. Magnet status or not.
I asked a Salem Hospital (going for Magnet status) manager why they were hiring so many new grads... 1) they needed a higher proportion of BSN nurses. 2) this gave them the opportunity to train the nurses in their system from the get go. She added that it is often harder to "un-train" someone than start from scratch. They wanted new BSN grads so that they could invest in them – giving them a focused support system so that they could increase retention and in the long term, reduce costs...

Again this is just one example, and one hospital...
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No. 28
from llg
Old Apr 25, 2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jpRN84 View Post
They may also end up paying for the BSN person who wants their MSN or doctorate. Not being disrespectful or arguing, just a thought.
True ... and I thought of that ... but the proportion of the new BSN grads who return to school for graduate degrees is smaller than the proportage of ADN grads who go back for the BSN's. Also, most new BSN grads work for a couple of years before they go to graduate school in a major way, giving service to the hospital before they ask the hospital to pay for more education.

I don't really disagree with you, but I think the financial numbers favor the BSN grads in this case.
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No. 29
from llg
Old Apr 25, 2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LinfieldNursingGuy View Post
I asked a Salem Hospital (going for Magnet status) manager why they were hiring so many new grads... 1) they needed a higher proportion of BSN nurses. 2) this gave them the opportunity to train the nurses in their system from the get go. She added that it is often harder to "un-train" someone than start from scratch. They wanted new BSN grads so that they could invest in them – giving them a focused support system so that they could increase retention and in the long term, reduce costs...

Again this is just one example, and one hospital...
My hospital has a similar attitude. The "strongest" candidate will be a nurse with relevant experience, a positive job history, and a good attitude. But a new grad BSN from a strong school who has done a relevant senior-year preceptorship (or externship, etc.) and who presents herself well will win the position over an experienced nurse who not particularly strong in the ways mentioned above. We will still hire ADN and Diploma grads, but only if they have something about them that is outstanding or if they already work for the hospital in another role, etc.
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