SICK of BSN Pedestal

Students ADN/BSN

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MelmelRN74

2 Posts

Specializes in Psych all the way!.

I debated about whether to post or not.. but here is my two cents worth. I started with an ADN 10 years ago, finished my BSN earlier this year, and am currently working towards my Masters. I have always LOVED being a nurse. No matter what anyone says or thinks, my BSN coursework improved my quality of patient care. I am not saying that it will for everyone, but for me, that is the single most important objective in my career.. the more I learn, the better I can care for my patients. I am not saying it is for everyone, but it was the best choice for me.

Specializes in Palliative, Onc, Med-Surg, Home Hospice.
I find this disturbing since I live in America where the language spoken is English.

I live in a community (IN the USA) where German, French, Japanese, Spanish, Portuguese, American and English are spoken. Because America is a a multi-cultural country with multiple companies from many different countries. I find it rather wonderful.

OCNRN63, RN

5,978 Posts

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Who really wants an educated nurse? Not me, baby.....I want the most ignorant fool the hospital can manage to hire to take care of my loved ones. I don't care if the moron has an ADN or BSN, the most important thing is that they spout useless rants full of erroneous information. :confused:

Wonder if I just found my dream nurse! :yawn:

The question is, are you offering her a "dreeeaaammm job"?

yadi87

98 Posts

Ah yes the ADN vs BSN debate, i am also very sick of this argument but it is what it is. The fact is that many ADN's are upset because hospitals are now requiring BSN's for employment. We all know that BSN preferred actually means BSN required in 99% of cases. I am second degree nurse student i earned my Bachelors in Biological Sciences from FIU in 2011 with the intention of becoming a vet and decided after some personal situations that i wanted to go into nursing. I am attending Miami Dade Colleges ADN RN program and its fully paid for by a scholarship i won. It is a very well respected program in South Florida and many nurses that work in major hospitals down here like Jackson Memorial got their degrees at Miami Dade. ( Not to be confused with Dade Medical College which is a scam). I digress, anyways many ADN students are frustrated because we do the same clinicals, we take the very same NCLEX and we are no longer desirable for employment because we lack management courses. Lets not forget that the BSN was originally designed for nurses wishing to pursue management positions or NP ect ect. ADN's programs are tailored for bedside nursing. I am becoming a nurse to work in ICU but alas i will probably never have that opportunity with my ADN and Bachlors in Biological Sciences. Why? because the standard is now BSN for a bedside nurse job. i can enter the MSN program directly at Univeristy of Miami when im done with my ADN due to my other degree but what the point since they wont hire an FNP or acute care NP without experience so i will have to shell out more money for an RN to BSN program. I agree i dont think the OP was knocking BSN nurses but the hospital politics that govern hiring of BSNs and opposed to ADNs for bedside positions. Also i noticed many people on AN think its so easy to just move somewhere else, alot of people do not have the luxury of picking up and moving to other states for a job so we are stuck in a saturated market with a degree hospitals do not want and no way of obtaining those golden 1-2 years experience in a Critical Care setting. We all have bills to pay and cant afford to wait 4 years for a BSN to take boards and get a job, so many student choose the ADN route to get the license and start working and get experience in the field and make income to pay for that beloved BSN. I dont expect the hospitals to pay for furthuring my education ( those days i hear are long gone) i will pay for it myself but i need a nursing job to do it.

anyways thats just my 2 cents

blah blah blah. i never took a college gym class or baking and tested out of my foreign language requirement. i did take abnormal psych, developmental psych, general chem 1 and2, american literature, calculus 1 and 2, anatomy and physiology 1and 2 , microbiology, biology and more. i am glad i did and got my bsn right after high school. it was worth it and i did and took all of those classes because i was so young and thought ahead to a future not in nursing where i would need those classes for another bachelors degree. also as i had scholarships my degree did not cost me much more than a asn would.

Sun0408, ASN, RN

1,761 Posts

Specializes in Trauma Surgical ICU.

As another mentioned.. This is the only post by the OP and they never came back. Don't feed into it, you are giving him/her what they want. Not gonna waste anymore time on this..

Chlometov

10 Posts

Nursing is the only profession where advancing your education is seen as a bad thing.

Really? How so? Maybe it's because I am still a student, but both in the classroom and in the hospitals, I have never experienced antagonism when expressing a desire to continue education to advance my future nursing career. In fact, in school I recall having to read and discuss several articles that explored how furthering education improves the quality and the effectiveness of the nursing profession.

Specializes in Allergy/Immunology.
Really? How so? Maybe it's because I am still a student, but both in the classroom and in the hospitals, I have never experienced antagonism when expressing a desire to continue education to advance my future nursing career. In fact, in school I recall having to read and discuss several articles that explored how furthering education improves the quality and the effectiveness of the nursing profession.
I'm pretty sure she was being facetious.
Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.

Dang it, why didn't anyone tell me that ASN + gym class = BSN? I need to go talk to my university about this! I totally took line dancing 101 the first time I went to college. This opens some real doors for me. Thank GOD!

Funny the only place I hear this crap talked about is on AN.

I'm pretty sure she was being facetious.

Or referring to the tons of posts you find on this website discounting RN-BSN programs as fluff and nonsense, the posts about all the "basketweaving" electives that initial licensure BSN students take to complete their degree, etc.

Chlometov

10 Posts

Or referring to the tons of posts you find on this website discounting RN-BSN programs as fluff and nonsense, the posts about all the "basketweaving" electives that initial licensure BSN students take to complete their degree, etc.

Ah ok, that seems to make more sense. I think the poster was being sincere just because she mentioned how useful it is to know Spanish in her area. Sarcasm can be completely lost on me in the Internet world :confused:

rngolfer53

681 Posts

I understand the frustration that a lot of ADNs feel. I'm a new nursing student so I've read a lot on the forums about ADNs being passed over for jobs that are then given to BSNs. I have to say, while an ADN nurse is well qualified to perform their job functions, a person who has two additional years of education has several advantages. I've owned a couple small businesses and dealt plenty with hiring. A candidate with twice as many years of education is generally is more well rounded and has a lot more to bring to the table. General education does not consist solely of P.E. and cooking courses.

In the California state university system, 2 years of courses focused on American Institutions; Lifelong Understanding & Self Development; Social, Political and Economic Institutions; Arts and Humanities; Mathematics, Lab, life, and physical sciences, Oral & written communication, and critical thinking are FAR from useless. And, I believe the BSN is therefore twice as qualified and brings twice as much to the table. (emphasis added)

Having said that, a bachelor's degree in another discipline should serve as a plus for any ADN as well. I'm not sure about the curriculum differences between an ADN and a BSN program, but I do know that an ADN to BSN program does not require one to simply take general education courses. Therefore, it's quite clear that there are differences in the level of nursing education for an ADN as opposed to a BSN.

I do believe nursing would be taken more seriously as a profession if we had one level of entry to practice, and many ADN programs have been expanded due to the supposed nursing shortage. I believe that during times of plentiful candidates for nursing positions, there is no reason to take a less educated or less experienced nurse. It's up to the employment candidate to be the best they can be in all areas. Education is something that most people respect, and most people have access to.

crebs, I agree with all of your post except the highlighted sentence. While the case is strong, imho, that a BSN brings benefits, I don't think you can convincingly say that it confers twice as much as an ADN.

Regardless of which degree one earns, once out of school the burden is on the individual, as you say, to keep learning. A stagnant BSN nurse will soon lose any advantage over an ADN who reads widely in and outside of nursing.

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