SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 17

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we... Read More

  1. Visit  BostonFNP} profile page
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    What makes you assume it's not going to be a quality program?
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  3. Visit  msygrnbw} profile page
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    Since when is it the nurses acting like they are 'better'? You wanna complain - it's not BSNs that make these goals, it's the facilities. So start saying this to the people actual talking about it - we can jabberjaw all day about what we think and it won't make a difference when they come down to hiring.

    I have a BSN and it took me about 7 years cause I couldn't decide what field I wanted to go into (And I regret I settled on nursing!), don't think that makes me any better/worse than anyone else in the field - just means I put in the time to get what I did. That being said, I am not mourning the fact that I spent a ton of money to afford that degree and those extra classes and that puts me ahead of someone with an ADN. Can you say that you would really be peeved if you got an extra 2 years of classes and studying plus tuition costs and it got you a position ahead of someone else?

    Basically IMO either 1) Suck it up and be happy you have a job/keep applying til you find the right fit or 2) Go back and get your BSN because getting a job is at least half if not more about how you market yourself

    I apologize if this sounds crass, but as a person who spent the time and money to get a BSN I'm tired of reading posts about people who hate that the 'bar' has become BSN. If you don't want it - don't get it. But for those of us who did it was expensive and time consuming and we aren't somehow trying to be 'better' than you.
  4. Visit  jessica.lanelle} profile page
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    Why would a more educated person get a better job? That's terrible.


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  5. Visit  SeasideGinger} profile page
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    I dont understand why its so wrong for a college who is a BUSINESS and wants to make money, to do just that? Obviously if they see a demand for something, and they can supply it, then more power to them.

    And not all BSN programs are that expensive. If you dont want to spend that much, find a cheaper alternative. My BSN program is very very affordable. My loan's will be around the $6000 mark, because thats what the BSN program is here at one of the cheaper universities. Even at the one of the huge, top universities here, its around $17000. Thats it!

    If you don't have the money or dont want the loan, then don't get it. Or find another option. No one is MAKING people get BSN's, but just like with any other job, the when there is an over supply of a lower educated employee, the bar will be raised.
  6. Visit  brandy1017} profile page
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    Quote from excited1
    Depending on what Masters program and school you choose, it does matter where you get your BSN and sometimes those RN-BSN programs are limited entry. Program accreditation is very important to some colleges. We just always have to be sure the schools we want will accept what we have.
    Honestly RN to BSN programs are not competitive. They are open to all ADN's with the money, but if you want to pursue an MSN or NP in the future than you must be selective in what BSN program you choose. The wrong program could limit your ability to get into an MSN program in the future.

    There really should be more RN to MSN/NP options available instead of forcing people to go into debt for a BSN first. It really discourages people from advancing due to the extra time and money it takes to get a BSN when your ultimate goal might be MSN/NP! But the colleges need to get their grubby hands on as much money as they can and that is why they force you to get a BSN first!
  7. Visit  brandy1017} profile page
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    Quote from SarahAdell
    I dont understand why its so wrong for a college who is a BUSINESS and wants to make money, to do just that? Obviously if they see a demand for something, and they can supply it, then more power to them.

    And not all BSN programs are that expensive. If you dont want to spend that much, find a cheaper alternative. My BSN program is very very affordable. My loan's will be around the $6000 mark, because thats what the BSN program is here at one of the cheaper universities. Even at the one of the huge, top universities here, its around $17000. Thats it!

    If you don't have the money or dont want the loan, then don't get it. Or find another option. No one is MAKING people get BSN's, but just like with any other job, the when there is an over supply of a lower educated employee, the bar will be raised.
    Actually some hospitals are making their nurses get a BSN or be fired! This is happening already on the East Coast.

    As for the cost of colleges when a BA/BS becomes a requirement to get a decent job and people must rely on student loans to get this stupid piece of paper, there should be limits on what colleges can charge. Just like there should be limits on what healthcare costs!

    College tuition has risen even faster than healthcare and we are creating a generation of indentured servants just for a chance at a decent job, not even a guarantee. I feel for all the poor college grads working as secretaries, waitresses, janitors, bartenders, CNA's who are stuck in a dead end job and now loaded down with student loans they may end up taking to their graves! We have CNA's with college degrees making less than $15/hour with thousands in student loans and I imagine some will end up with their social security garnished to pay it all back. Here I am with just an ADN making more money than others who went to school like they were told to do, but things didn't work out the way they planned. Maybe I'm just a bleeding heart, but this bothers me when I see others struggling just to get by, whose attempt for a better life has left them worse off financially!
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    Quote from brandy1017
    Honestly RN to BSN programs are not competitive. They are open to all ADN's with the money, but if you want to pursue an MSN or NP in the future than you must be selective in what BSN program you choose. The wrong program could limit your ability to get into an MSN program in the future.

    There really should be more RN to MSN/NP options available instead of forcing people to go into debt for a BSN first. It really discourages people from advancing due to the extra time and money it takes to get a BSN when your ultimate goal might be MSN/NP! But the colleges need to get their grubby hands on as much money as they can and that is why they force you to get a BSN first!
    Thats exactly what my post implied, just in fewer words.
  9. Visit  exp626} profile page
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    The OP unwittingly makes a very good case for higher education. Perhaps it would help with sentence structure, spelling, and grammar. I've been an ADN for 18 years and many of my younger coworkers have their BSNs. I'm a resource to them and we respect each other. The hard facts are they have more opportunities than me. I'm halfway through my BSN program because I desire to be relevant in a competitive market. If the OP doesn't care to go back to school, maybe he could just read a few books.
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  10. Visit  MadisonG} profile page
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    If your so upset then go get a BSN. You are ignorant and know good and well nobody takes gym classes at a University. Im also pretty sure everyone has to take Psych. Its more than a few electives. Try leadership and assessment and critical thinking/Theory. Some of its bs and some is actually useful. Everyone should want a better education =money power respect. In a nutshell. Im a STNA in school for my BSN then DNP. Its not a race, do what you have to do and follow your dreams
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    This dead horse. Who cares, I think it would be wonderful for all nurses to hold advanced degrees, we work alongside other healthcare professionals who have gone through years of schooling. It irks me when people complain of ADN Vs BSN, Im in an ADN program and quess what, I plan on going straight to my BSN. If you dont want to further your education, kudos to you, however dont knock others who have or will.
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    Quote from MadisonG
    If your so upset then go get a BSN. You are ignorant and know good and well nobody takes gym classes at a University. Im also pretty sure everyone has to take Psych. Its more than a few electives. Try leadership and assessment and critical thinking/Theory. Some of its bs and some is actually useful. Everyone should want a better education =money power respect. In a nutshell. Im a STNA in school for my BSN then DNP. Its not a race, do what you have to do and follow your dreams
    That's funny...I took a gym class in college. It was one of many required "electives" needed to obtain a bachelor's degree. There were many to pick from, see, because there are people who major in physical education.
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    Quote from MadisonG
    If your so upset then go get a BSN. You are ignorant and know good and well nobody takes gym classes at a University.
    The college I attended before I went into nursing (with an entirely different major) required two PE (gym) courses for any baccalaureate degree. Plenty of people are taking "gym classes at a University."
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    "Just 39% of four-year colleges said students had to meet physical education requirements in 2010, down from about two-thirds in the 1980s and '90s and a peak of 97% in the 1920s, say researchers who checked the websites of 354 randomly selected schools. The numbers were lowest at public colleges and universities."

    Colleges' physical education requirements fade away




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