SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 9

by DUDERNGUY 31,975 Views | 215 Comments

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year... Read More


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    Quote from rngolfer53
    This post is riddled with assumptions which would seem to be an error in critical thinking by the self-congratulatory holder of a BSN.

    While the OP assuredly didn't compose his post with "How To Win Friends and Influence People" next to his keyboard, replying in an equally offensive way, as Frank RN has, smacks of the schoolyard rather than a professional.
    Agreed.
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    How many of those BSN% are skewed? Meaning how many where aids, LPNs, and ADNs, before becoming BSNs? So how can you say that BSNs have better pt outcomes?
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    Someone sounds a little bitter. Or jealous. Or both.

    The fact is this: If nurses want to advance their profession and command higher salaries/wages, then it is only fair that the requirements and standards are set higher and that the qualifications are more standardized across the board. Most professions outside of trade school require a four-year degree. Nursing is one of those few fields where only a junior college degree/diploma is required to enter the field. Why is that? Nurses can't complain about not being treated like professionals if the degree itself doesn't require a BSN.
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    I have a few thoughts on this.

    For those saying they feel bashed for having a BSN, I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course education is never a bad thing! But as an ADN graduate..I feel bashed all the time. It is SO frustrating when you're overlooked for not having your BSN yet having took the same board exam, same amount of clinical hours, etc. I was on the phone with the recuriter at a hospital I have been working at for over 5 years. She was excited for my graduation and shared new grad program information with me but once I told her I was an ADN grad and not a BSN, things automatically changed. She told me to check in when I had the BSN. I've been a loyal employee for so long that it felt like a slap in the face!

    Some ADN nurses are ADN nurses because of the impaction of nursing schools, not because they don't want to have more education. I had over 100+ college units coming INTO the ADN program. I had my associates already and had all the prerequisites to qualify for a BSN program- just couldn't get in one due to impaction. As a result, I now have two associates degrees when i could have my bachelor's. Many other people I know in my ADN program already had bachelor's degrees in other fields but their previous education is overlooked because it is not a BSN.

    I am currently in an RN-BSN program and it is ridiculously easy compared to the ADN program I was in. Because of this I am very happy of the ADN education I had. I feel it taught me so much and never a day do i regret my decision to go to a CC for nursing.

    The whole magnet status things is a joke. My instructor who has her PH.D was saying the whole reasoning behind it all is marketing and money. So I can agree that IS not fair.

    I asked the nursing director at a local major hospital her thoughts on this. She said it is ridiculous and prefers ADN nurses because they tend to have stronger clinical skills, yet BSN is what the market is pushing for.
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    Someone sounds a little bitter. Or jealous. Or both.The fact is this: If nurses want to advance their profession and command higher salaries/wages, then it is only fair that the requirements and standards are set higher and that the qualifications are more standardized across the board. Most professions outside of trade school require a four-year degree. Nursing is one of those few fields where only a junior college degree/diploma is required to enter the field. Why is that? Nurses can't complain about not being treated like professionals if the degree itself doesn't require a BSN.
    So who's stopping you from getting more education and advancing your
    career? If you're a BSN taking a job as a floor nurse that can be filled by a LPN or ADN doesn't that mean that *you* are the one choosing to work below the full scope of your education?

    Maybe I should go work apply for a job in a doctors office and then complain about how all the MAs around me doing the same job I am are "insulting" to my profession and demand that MA programs be discontinued. Never mind that these people have been doing this job for decades and trained me how to do mine....

    If you take a position you *know* is routinely filled by people with lower education than you, doesn't that say more about *you* than it does about everyone else?
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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    So who's stopping you from getting more education and advancing your
    career? If you're a BSN taking a job as a floor nurse that can be filled by a LPN or ADN doesn't that mean that *you* are the one choosing to work below the full scope of your education?

    Maybe I should go work apply for a job in a doctors office and then complain about how all the MAs around me doing the same job I am are "insulting" to my profession and demand that MA programs be discontinued. Never mind that these people have been doing this job for decades and trained me how to do mine....

    If you take a position you *know* is routinely filled by people with lower education than you, doesn't that say more about *you* than it does about everyone else?
    No. It says more about the field than anything else. And there are things that RNs can do that an LPN can't, so I'm not sure why you are bringing LPNs into this....
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    No. It says more about the field than anything else. And there are things that RNs can do that an LPN can't, so I'm not sure why you are bringing LPNs into this....
    Because many RNs take jobs that can be (and are) filled by LPNs. And then they imply that the fact that there are LPNs and RNs doing the same job indicates that the LPNs are working beyond their scope. No.... it implies that the RNs are working under it.
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    You realize that that the Nursing Profession itself is the one to blame for this "pedestal".

    If they set one standard that everyone adhered to, then there would be NO PEDESTAL. Instead we have hen pecking about who is better. This infighting only makes us look like childish. Get a hold of yourselves, work as a team, set the standard, enforce the standard and move on with bigger and better things.

    This is embarrassing.
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    Quote from kalevra
    You realize that that the Nursing Profession itself is the one to blame for this "pedestal".

    If they set one standard that everyone adhered to, then there would be NO PEDESTAL. Instead we have hen pecking about who is better. This infighting only makes us look like childish. Get a hold of yourselves, work as a team, set the standard, enforce the standard and move on with bigger and better things.

    This is embarrassing.
    ^^^^^^ TRUTH!!
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    Quote from wooh
    "Future RNs should have to obtain a BSN" does NOT equal "Current ADN RNs are incompetent." Most professions change educational standards. Changing the standards does not mean that those who met the current standards are incompetent. It's just saying, "Let's up those standards for the future."
    Could not have said it better myself, wooh.
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