SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 20

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year... Read More

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    All right i have to fess up, as a diploma nurse for 41yrs, a super nurse out of the gate that arrogantly thought my first job at city of memphis hosp. ccu (now THE MED) i only spent like a week in orrientation, where the univ. Tenn bsn graduates, spent 6-8weeks etcetcetc, always been promoted head nurse, nurse clinician, director of er, director of nurses etcetcetc.....i felt superior to the bsn, out of the box, of course i had 3.5yrs of college as biology mjr, prior to nursing school, and picked up an assoc.applied science a few years back in resp. therapy... so accademics challenged i felt not :-) but if i am truly as intellegent as i propose to be, and my assessment and critical thinking skills are sharp, i would have to be a fool to think less education is adequate :-):-):-)

    At almost 64yr. Age i am connecting the dots, working a RN to BSN PROGRAM, that i should be through with in 6-9mos.
    i have an itch to complete an MSN- NP also. It isnt for a job, it isnt for money. i already am a director of nurses, it is for the professional challenge, continuation of being the best nurse I can be, and when i do end my nursing career like in 20more years :-):-):-):-), i will end it in prosessional standing of the times. Eating a little crow and humble pie in this case does not taste so bad.
    Last edit by sallyrnrrt on Feb 25, '13
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    Quote from sallyrnrrt
    All right i have to fess up, as a diploma nurse for 41yrs, a super nurse out of the gate that arrogantly thought my first job at city of memphis hosp. ccu (now THE MED) i only spent like a week in orrientation, where the univ. Tenn bsn graduates, spent 6-8weeks etcetcetc, always been promoted head nurse, nurse clinician, director of er, director of nurses etcetcetc.....i felt superior to the bsn, out of the box, of course i had 3.5yrs of college as biology mjr, prior to nursing school, and picked up an assoc.applied science a few years back in resp. therapy... so accademics challenged i felt not :-) but if i am truly as intellegent as i propose to be, and my assessment and critical thinking skills are sharp, i would have to be a fool to think less education is adequate :-):-):-)

    At almost 64yr. Age i am connecting the dots, working a RN to BSN PROGRAM, that i should be through with in 6-9mos.
    i have an itch to complete an MSN- NP also. It isnt for a job, it isnt for money. i already am a director of nurses, it is for the professional challenge, continuation of being the best nurse I can be, and when i do end my nursing career like in 20more years :-):-):-):-), i will end it in prosessional standing of the times. Eating a little crow and humble pie in this case does not taste so bad.
    I think you are a great example to any nurse regardless of education level.

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    Sorry to bring up the dead, but I found this thread looking for something else. And all I have to say is, my MSN/ MBA degrees trumps all of you BSN's !

    hahahaha I'm kidding because this thread is so ridiculous. Spoken by a nurse who got an ADN, then a BSN and now in school for a dual masters.
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    Quote from cabogirl
    Wow... Bitter much?? I'm sorry - but I'm tired of people trying to dumb down the BSN. How can more education be a bad thing?? Do I think having a BSN makes me a better nurse than an ADN? NO! I was trained by an AMAZING ADN preceptor & work alongside many fantastic ADN nurses. But am I proud of earning my bachelor degree? HELL YES! It makes me angry that this is always such a hot topic for debate. Why judge someone for continuing their own education? And for the record - it was not just "an extra PE class" that earned me that degree! That's just an ignorant statement to make & it's offensive. I have yet to hear a BSN nurse make derogatory comments toward ADN nurses...because quite honestly, I don't believe that most BSN nurses consider it an issue, but damned if I don't constantly see a new thread on AN nearly every week bashing nurses who went for their BSN. It's all so petty and not conducive to the work environment at all! Sorry to come across harsh - it's just frustrating to be made to feel like I need to constantly defend my hard earned degree. I am proud of it, just as an ADN should be proud of theirs.
    You are mostly right. But yes, I do hear BSNs voicing the belief that they are better nurses. And no, no one thinks it's a bad thing to want more education. The problem is that a lot of BSN programs are just expensive naked emperors. I've precepted many new BSN nurses that I believe have been royally ripped off by their schools. And some have indeed received a stellar education for their money.

    But it's still very inconsistent and there's still a lot of unfounded hype. (And please don't quote those dodgy studies.) When I see standardization among BSN programs and feel certain I'd get my money's worth, I'll be next in line. But I do recommend new nurses find a way to get their BSN; either first or in addition to ADN. Times are what they are. Just try to get the best bang for your education buck.
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    Healthcare /nursing/medicine hasn't changed at al in the past 20 years.
    And nurses who graduated 20 years ago have learned something new on the job each and every day of those 20 years.

    Just because a nurse graduated 20 years ago and hasn't went to school since, that doesn't automatically mean their practice is out of date. As the field evolved, so have they.

    I would argue that knowledge comes from experience every bit as much as it comes from education.
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    who cares? let your actions speak louder than words. I have my ADN and am often charging over many BSN nurses. Not saying I'm a better nurse, just that it doesn't matter. Education is what the student makes of it, and a job is what the employee makes of it. I've seen BSN nurses that scare the crap out of me, and ASN nurses who I'd trust my life to, and the other way around.

    Although I will admit I plan to finish the BSN just because I fear hospitals are tending to lean in that direction more and more.......
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    "Because an extra gym class doesn't deserve.it." --- Omy gosh. While that might not be exactly true, it was funny as hell and I really needed a good laugh. Thanks, fellow ADN
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    Like a PP pointed out, there needs to be standardization of the BSN programs, particularly the online ones.

    While all traditional ADN/BSN programs are regulated by the state BON and are "judged" by their NCLEX pass rates, what accountablity standards are there for RN-BSN programs?
    Last edit by hope3456 on May 11
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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    And nurses who graduated 20 years ago have learned something new on the job each and every day of those 20 years.

    Just because a nurse graduated 20 years ago and hasn't went to school since, that doesn't automatically mean their practice is out of date. As the field evolved, so have they.

    I would argue that knowledge comes from experience every bit as much as it comes from education.
    You took this post in the wrong context. Take a look back at the original post: it was a response to the argument that additional class work shouldn't be needed for students now because it wasn't needed 29 years ago. In my opinion, there is much much more to learn now.
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    Quote from NurseGuyBri
    A 2 year degree is a vocational degree. It's a practical degree - An associate of a professional. I'm not putting any ADN's down, I'm saying that is what an Associates Degree is designed for. . That's why it's a BACHELOR's degree. Masters- You've mastered your subject. I could keep going. So, why is the associate degree- the vocational school prepared degree, not for a LPN? The bachelor, the professional, an RN? I hope the idea gets through.
    This is old,i know.
    Are you saying that an Associates Degree should be for Lpn's and the Bachelor's for Rn's?


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