SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 16

by DUDERNGUY

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Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year... Read More


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    Quote from kalevra
    Because setting one education standard for entry makes sense. It would squash all this in fighting so we can move on to more important matters.

    I bet there were a bunch of people that hated the idea of one standardized national Licensure test. Today we have the NCLEX, so why can't we have a standardized education for initial entry?
    Only place I see in fighting about this subject is allnurses.
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    I was watching a scene from a re-run of Scrubs the other day. In that scene, Dr. Dorian asked Carla the nurse where she went to college. "Oh, I didn't go to college", she said. Then Dr. Dorian laughingly said, "Well don't tell my patients, but I didn't either." Carla was outraged by the comment. I love that comedy, & that line made me think.

    If there is a standard of education for medicine, there should be a standard of education for nursing.
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    Quote from BlueDevil,DNP
    Let's give credit where credit is due.
    Thank you for this comment!
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    Quote from mariebailey
    I was watching a scene from a re-run of Scrubs the other day. In that scene, Dr. Dorian asked Carla the nurse where she went to college. "Oh, I didn't go to college", she said. Then Dr. Dorian laughingly said, "Well don't tell my patients, but I didn't either." Carla was outraged by the comment. I love that comedy, & that line made me think.If there is a standard of education for medicine, there should be astandard of education for nursing.
    Well, there IS a standard. It's just one you apparently don't approve of.
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    Only place I see in fighting about this subject is allnurses.
    I agree. Never once in the real world have I heard nurses arguing about this. And I used to work in a magnet hospital that's one of the biggest in the Midwest.
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    In Aus we have a bachelor degree which will make you an RN and a diploma which will make you an EN/Div2 RN.

    I think as long as the US has BSN and ASN there will be a pedestal "us versus them" mentality. Its the same as the stupid RN vs. LPN never ending argument. Who cares just do your job.
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    amen, diploma program, back in 1972
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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    I agree. Never once in the real world have I heard nurses arguing about this. And I used to work in a magnet hospital that's one of the biggest in the Midwest.
    No arguing, but I do work with several disgruntled ADN educated peers who are very frustrated/angry that they are now unable to transfer within the hospital (which went BSN-only recently) before finishing their BSN bridge and are having trouble even finding positions at other hospitals in the area because they tend to unfairly rank below BSN new-grads in the hiring matrix.
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    Personally, I think it's still about experience.

    I have a BSN. But I respect those with ADNs even CNAs with decades of experience.

    I think the big difference is PATIENT EDUCATION. We do it multiple times a day and BSNs have taken more education classes than ADNs. Patients stay in the hospital in a relatively short time, they need to be able to take care of themselves outside in order to stay outside. That's why it's important for us to imbed the education to them.

    Don't get me wrong, I know ADNs are fully capable of it. It's just the training. We have to re-certify for our CPR, because we don't know if it changed or not, if we're still doing the proper training. That's how I see the difference as well. As nurses, we have to adapt to the change and make sure we are up-to-date with our skills/literature/etc.

    If your facility adapted a new computer system, for example, you do it because it's necessary for the job. Nothing to do with who's better or not, it's just as simple as money, who the hospital needs to train and who's already trained.
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    Quote from mariebailey
    I was watching a scene from a re-run of Scrubs the other day. In that scene, Dr. Dorian asked Carla the nurse where she went to college. "Oh, I didn't go to college", she said. Then Dr. Dorian laughingly said, "Well don't tell my patients, but I didn't either." Carla was outraged by the comment. I love that comedy, & that line made me think.

    If there is a standard of education for medicine, there should be a standard of education for nursing.
    I agree there should be a standard for education. It only makes sense to establish one.

    The problem is we spend too much time bickering.

    If someone/organization with power just set one then everyone else would fall in. NCLEX is an example that the profession has set national standards before. In theory we should be able to do it again.

    Isn't it strange that in this day in age there are still diploma/certificate paper work you can file for to the BRN regarding sitting in for the NCLEX. I always thought those programs disappeared long ago, but I guess I was mistaken. They are still roaming about, like some endangered species.


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