SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 12

by DUDERNGUY

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Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year... Read More


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    I suppose I will be the jerk here. The worthless prereqs you speak of consist of a couple of courses of which I think you’re in desperate need; Writing and Communication. While I’m sure I will catch some heat for my comment, it just goes to show that having a BSN isn’t a waste of time or money. These comments are exactly why there continues to be a divide in our profession. Our profession thrives on continuing education. Advances in medicine along with new evidence based nursing research require us to continue our education. You should also know that a well-balanced curriculum prepares us to be well-balanced practitioners. Perhaps learning a proper technique in that gym class can transcend into the patient’s PT and OT care. Or perhaps that new recipe learned in that worthless cooking class can be the much needed ice breaker to promote a therapeutic relationship.

    Education, regardless of the topic, is not worthless.
    Last edit by ParkerBeanCurdRN,BSN on Feb 8, '13
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    Quote from MarieSens-Taylor
    Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
    Sorry, but that is simply not true.
    I have worked with ADNs in ALL of those areas.
    One of the best VP of nursing that I ever worked with was an ADN.
    Fewer than half of the RN staff that I worked with in Community health were BSN prepared. At the time, that was the largest community health network in the midwest.
    I worked with 2 research RNs in Kalamazoo Michigan who were not BSN prepared.
    Leadership skills are not limited to degree type although some degrees clearly prepare people specifically for leadership roles.
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    Why nurses should earn a BSN:
    http://c0250481.cdn.cloudfiles.racks...Earn A BSN.pdf

    Pipe who put this little study together.

    The latest from the ANA: http://www.theamericannurse.org/inde...-for-patients/
    Last edit by DoGoodThenGo on Feb 8, '13 : Reason: Content edited
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    Get a few years and two degrees behind you and you had better see that much of college is a money grab, unless, you just are clueless and need help for what ever you need to learn in life - college will never be the answer for that. You guys that think a degree holds the profession back from respect, are gonna have a long miserable career ahead of you. My advice is to not hide behind college. It's what, 2 years or 4? You won't be ever judged on this one small snippet of your life. If you suck as a nurse, you'll suck just the same holding your little diploma that nobody wants to hear about.

    College is over! Time to grow up and out of it.

    Edit: OMG DoGood, you actually read nursing crap? LOL. Seriously? Who reads that stuff?
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    Quote from MarieSens-Taylor
    Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
    Psst! Though done in the 1980's you might want to peep this starting at about page 41: Nursing and nursing education: public policies and private actions - Institute of Medicine (U.S.). Division of Health Care Services - Google Books
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    Quote from DUDERNGUY
    Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.

    why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

    IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.
    In general, I agree with this position. But, I cannot take it seriously because it is poorly written and full of grammatical errors.

    If you want people to listen to your argument, you need to take a couple of writing classes in order to learn to communicate. Otherwise, you are making the opposition's point with your lack of proper writing.

    And I am an ADN nurse.

    Sent from my iPhone using allnurses.com
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    Quote from netglow
    Edit: OMG DoGood, you actually read nursing crap? LOL. Seriously? Who reads that stuff?
    Me! I read professional literature too.

    I have "a few years and 2 degrees behind me " as well. I think I needed that foundation to guide the decision-making I've been doing ever since.

    Props to higher education and reading!
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    Quote from MarieSens-Taylor
    Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
    I'm glad you know everything about every job market in the United States!
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    Throughout my nursing orientation I was trained by a nurse with ADN! Let me just say she was the google of the hospital, she always looked up protocols and policies, she did everything by the book! She was creative, the most intelligent person I have met, she questioned doctors all the time, even the MDs were impressed how much she knew! MDs would ask her for suggestions such as procedures/ meds to order I was freaking impressed myself. Every damn nurse on the floor went to her with questions or if they needed a second opinion. She has years of experience!!! Experience is gold, is worth more than BSN, MSN,DNP! Yes education is very important, I support higher education but nothing can beat the importance of experience.

    I myself have a BSN! One day I dream to be just as good as the nurse described above!
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    Quote from mariebailey
    Me! I read professional literature too.

    I have "a few years and 2 degrees behind me " as well. I think I needed that foundation to guide the decision-making I've been doing ever since.

    Props to higher education and reading!
    LOL at who reads that stuff? Who reads it? Who's who in our field, that's who. The leaders, the change makers, the innovators, the best of us. I read it. You should too. Your practice will be better off for it, your patients will be better off for it, you will be better for it.
    That aside, there is no arguing the value of formal, quality education. Asserting that less education is somehow just as good as more education makes the speaker sound ridiculous. I understand why many people can't or don't go to college, and really, it's fine. I completely agree you can potentially be an outstanding nurse with either an ADN or BSN. That is not being debated. But you still ought to read "that stuff." You can't not read the literature and be an outstanding nurse, sorry. Make all the excuses and protestations you like but you know and we know, no matter what your degree, if you don't read your professional journals, you are simply treading water.
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