NY State may require nurses to obtain 4-year degrees - page 18

But some worry that an already severe shortage will become worse. New York is mulling over a requirement that would force all RNs to earn a bachelor's degree in order to keep their RN... Read More

  1. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from cenote
    ........What may be needed to spur on the ADN to get their BSN, is a universal curriculum that makes sense. This would go a long way in encouraging further education. Simply stop the fleecing of the ADNs and set some needed standards.

    Too easy to implement. Makes too much sense. Will probably never happen.

    Exactly! I've looked into getting my BSN at a local university. They require five semesters of "U.S. Govenment."

    The minimum I'd need to take is 62 credit hours. Add that to the 127 I already have as an ADN. Rediculous.
  2. by   txspadequeenRN
    you have lost your mind



    Quote from ocankhe
    I think it is a good idea and about time. It should have no impact on the shortage and in fact may help releive the shortage in the long run.
  3. by   txspadequeenRN
    Instead of trying to decide if all RN's should have BSN's , they better consider the shortage and develop more Diploma and ADN programs to cover this lack of nurses and worry about that other junk later.



    Quote from brian
    But some worry that an already severe shortage will become worse.

    New York is mulling over a requirement that would force all RNs to earn a bachelor's degree in order to keep their RN certification-a step that critics worry could serve as a body blow to a profession already facing a severe shortage.

    Under the state Board of Nursing proposal, RNs with associate's degrees would have to earn bachelor's degrees within 10 years, or their RN certifications would be downgraded to that of licensed practical nurse. That would make nursing somewhat like teaching in New York state; certified K-12 teachers need master's degrees or must obtain one within three years of starting a job. It would also add years and thousands of dollars to the difficulty of becoming an RN...

    Full Article: http://www.rochesterdandc.com/news/0...IOG_news.shtml
  4. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from LadyT618
    Can I just say something here that I've observed......Canada got their s*** together; maybe the US should take some pointers.
    Then why are they all coming down here to work?
  5. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from LadyT618
    EXTRA!! EXTRA!! Read all about it!! The wheels are turning now......(ain't I a stinker!)

    http://www.nysna.org/departments/com...initiative.htm
    Please remember that SD (or was it ND) required a BSN....and has since had to retract it. It hasn't worked the one place that it has been tried.
  6. by   LadyT618
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Then why are they all coming down here to work?
    Perhaps people are broke and cannot afford to go for a BSN right off the bat, like most people in this country. So they come down here......I suppose.....
  7. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from LadyT618
    Perhaps people are broke and cannot afford to go for a BSN right off the bat, like most people in this country. So they come down here......I suppose.....
    These are BSN holding Canadians that do not want to work in Canada

    Obviously, Canada doesn't have it all together.
  8. by   Energizer Bunny
    Good gosh darn thing I'm moving out of NY state after I graduate.
  9. by   Erin RN
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    See????? already so little real thought going into it.....

    this is bound to cause some outrage among the ranks........relegate RN's w/o BSN within 10 years to LPN status................niiiiice.

    And now you see why I am so concerned, I hope. They will make it happen, but will NOT make it happen in a way that is smart.

    ANY NYNSA MEMBERS HERE???? weigh in please?????? If this bothers you, you better get really vocal about it or the powers that be are sealing your fates as diploma/AD graduates.

    I agree Deb..if you look at the article the reasoning behind making the BSN mandatory states nothing about elevating our profession rather it is thought to be necessary due to the increasing complexity of nursing and that BSNs tend to be able to advance further. I am not sure how additional general ed classes would make a new nurse more able to deal with the complexities of nursing pratice and I think we have all agreed that those that have just graduated have only the basic knowledge, BSN and ADN alike. Are they going to change the curriculums to teach more about nursing/ critical thinking and the like? Also as far as advancement, although it has brought up over and over, in my experience I have been able to advance to whereever I have wanted without the BSN..If we all aspired to climbing the ladder who in the he** is going to actually be a nurse in the traditional sense? Advancement is a personal choice and if additonal schooling, classes or training is needed ti should be left up to the individual to attain the necessary skills etc to go where they want. Eventually I would like to do case management independently..in order for me to do so, I will need to take the CCM exam. I am also doing the life care planning year long course and will sit for that exam....if I had the BSN I would STILL have to do these things in order to achieve my goals so please tell me HOW the BSN would benefit me???
  10. by   fergus51
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Then why are they all coming down here to work?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Most of them (like me) come back and it isn't all of us.

    But, just to dispell some myths... In Canada, the Diploma was 3 years, the BSN was 2 more semestres. It wasn't way more expensive and in most programs in BC (like UVIC where JMP is getting a degree) the 2 programs were identical, except the BSN students did an extra year of courses and clinical (so it wasn't about liberal arts or management it was about CLINICAL time!). I graduated with my degree six months after my friends who bridged out with a diploma. That's why it made sense to have it as the minimum here.

    It will not result in a huge shortage, it is not insulting to diploma nurses (since they are grandfathered), it only affects new nurses, it will get rid of this stupid argument, nursing education is still as accessible. There are really no downsides to the BSN in Canada. We have it together in this matter.

    The US is another story altogether as the education system is different.
    Last edit by fergus51 on May 13, '04
  11. by   LadyT618
    Quote from fergus51
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Most of them (like me) come back and it isn't all of us.

    But, just to dispell some myths... In Canada, the Diploma was 3 years, the BSN was 2 more semestres. It wasn't way more expensive and in most programs in BC (like UVIC where JMP is getting a degree) the 2 programs were identical, except the BSN students did an extra year of courses and clinical (so it wasn't about liberal arts or management it was about CLINICAL time!). I graduated with my degree six months after my friends who bridged out with a diploma. That's why it made sense to have it as the minimum here.

    It will not result in a huge shortage, it is not insulting to diploma nurses (since they are grandfathered), it only affects new nurses, it will get rid of this stupid argument, nursing education is still as accessible. There are really no downsides to the BSN in Canada. We have it together in this matter.

    The US is another story altogether as the education system is different.

    Kinda what I was thinking.....we (US) got a lotta work to do....
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from fergus51
    . We have it together in this matter.

    The US is another story altogether as the education system is different.

    Yes, exactly. Very different. And the way I read NY's plan, it is gonna be troublesome. They already have a shortage, so they best be smart about it.
  13. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    See????? already so little real thought going into it.....

    this is bound to cause some outrage among the ranks........relegate RN's w/o BSN within 10 years to LPN status................niiiiice.

    And now you see why I am so concerned, I hope. They will make it happen, but will NOT make it happen in a way that is smart.

    ANY NYNSA MEMBERS HERE???? weigh in please?????? If this bothers you, you better get really vocal about it or the powers that be are sealing your fates as diploma/AD graduates.
    This tactic is to alienate any RN who is NOT a BSN...and thats what it has been about since I was in school 30 yrs ago. I've been hearing this stuff since then. "Soon I will be YOUR boss..I am the BSN'. Trashtalk pure and simple. Educational elitists pushing their agenda.

    I also hope NYS are going to attack this head on. My guess is those who are already BSN's will not care what happens to the AD and diploma nurses. Sad but this is what I have seen in my career. It is all about them being better and winning. <sigh>

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