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No. 30
from llg
Old Aug 09, 2009, 11:38 AM

Default Re: Job market prefers BSN , turns away ADN
In years past, it was often very difficult if not impossible to transfer academic from a diploma program to BSN program. However, over the last decade or so there has been a major effort made to ease the transition and allow for the transfer of far more credits.

Diploma programs have been smart enough to realize that they could not survive if there graduates were unable to advance their educations beyond that initial diploma. And universities have been smart enough to realize that the students looking for BSN completion programs can be a source of revenue. They don't need the 10:1 student to faculty ratios for clinical classes because they already have RN licenses. They can take classes with lots of students in them which are cheaper for the school to provide. So ... by making the transfer of credits easier, everybody wins. And that is happened.

So, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be as long as your classes were taken at properly accredited programs.
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No. 31
from karenTRN
Old Aug 09, 2009, 06:22 PM

Default Re: Job market prefers BSN , turns away ADN
Originally Posted by LifelongDream View Post
I'm graduating tomorrow with my BSN. My program was only one year, but in that one year, I had 910 clinical hours with my preceptor, 40 hours postpartum/antepartum, 40 hours mental health, 40 hours pediatrics, and 40 hours of community health.

My point is I have will actually have more clinical experience at graduation than someone with a ADN. If the hospital is going to pay both of us the same (or similar amounts) why wouldn't they hire those with the higher degree?
Are you sure your math is correct? In one year of school, you worked 25 weeks "full time"? In addition to that 160 hours, another 13 weeks full time? Please recheck, as a friend of mine who is a NP told me, that NP only need about 650 hours. How could you do that much clinical time, and take all the classes that other programs do in 2 years (BSN or ADN).

Not judging, but I have never heard of anything that intense.....not even with NP schools that I have been checking into.
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No. 32
from Lbug09
Old Aug 09, 2009, 08:49 PM

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Hi All...
I'm new to this site. I am looking at nursing programs in Boston, namely part-time evening programs since I work full time in an unrelated field (I have my BS in Marketing/Econ). I figure an ADN would be a good way for me to get my feet wet since I really don't know what I'm getting into. I have friends who have become nurses and they absolutely love what the do - their patients, the hours, the money of course. I am very reluctant to join a BSN or accelerated BSN program since there's a lot of risk involved there (higher cost, would require me to quit my job). I live in Boston and would want to work in a hospital after I graduate. Can anyone provide insights on: a) what the job market will look like in Boston in 2-3 years (I'm hearing it's rough right now); and b) is it worth going the ADN route instead of BSN given my reservations / ignorance to the profession right now? c) am I going to have a harder time finding a job w/ an ADN vs a BSN? I really really hope nursing is for me. Any help/insights are so very appreciated.
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No. 33
Old Aug 09, 2009, 11:48 PM

Default Re: Job market prefers BSN , turns away ADN
Originally Posted by karenTRN View Post
Are you sure your math is correct? In one year of school, you worked 25 weeks "full time"? In addition to that 160 hours, another 13 weeks full time? Please recheck, as a friend of mine who is a NP told me, that NP only need about 650 hours. How could you do that much clinical time, and take all the classes that other programs do in 2 years (BSN or ADN).

Not judging, but I have never heard of anything that intense.....not even with NP schools that I have been checking into.
I am absolutely, 110% sure that the math is correct. Just graduated on Friday and lived to tell about it! We worked 270 hours of clinical hours each semester with our preceptor (total of 3 semesters). In the fall and spring, most weeks were 2 12 hour shifts. Some included 3 shifts to make the total greater than 270. In addition, we also had the pedi clinicals, maternal/child, mental health, and community health clinicals. Each of those modules were 40 hours in addition to the 270 with our preceptors. If you want to check into it, the program is the Second Degree BSN Program at Texas Tech University. Here's the website: http://www.ttuhsc.edu/son/undergrad/secWbsn.aspx

I'm happy to report I graduated on Friday with a 3.946~~~ We completed 61 hours as a part of our Accelerated Second Degree BSN program. It was a crazy year, but it was Oooooohhhhh so worth it! Now for NCLEX....
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No. 34
Old Aug 10, 2009, 04:27 AM

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Unless one of us is Mrs. Darrin Stephens (Bewitched), no one can give you an accurate prediction of what the nursing profession will look like in two or three years, even for a local area such as Boston. Yes, there have been reports of a nursing "shortage", and yes starting in several years many baby boom nurses will reach retirement age, which should lead to more openings, but then again nothing is certian.

What is certian is sooner or later there will be a demand for new nurses, however where and how they will be employed may change. If the Obama health care or any other health care reform goes through you may see more nurses engaged in care outside of hospitals,especially nurse practioners trying to address the needs of communities medically underserved.

Since you already have a BS degree, there really isn't much of a reason for you not to go the "second degree" BSN programs and get your BSN. All college/university nursing programs are basically the same, two to two and one-half years of nursing programs, with the balance filled out by core, and other college credits. With ADN programs the focus is more on nursing with a good dose of college programs so one can easily transfer or enter a BSN program later on. If you have a four year degree already all if not all the college courses not releated to nursing will not be required (varies by program). However you will have to take any science,math or other nursing pre-reqs not completed. This applies to ADN as well as BSN programs, so you really aren't saving that much time by obtaining the former.

As for nursing not being for you, it isn't going to matter if you are an ADN or BSN in your situation (see above), ad you will spend about the same amount of time in either program. Now if you were just starting out without any previous college credits, then one could see the problem. Would kind of stink to spend four years in college and decide afterwards you didn't like the profession. Though in hindsight this happens allot with new grads of either degree.

Best way to see if nursing really is up your street is to find work as a nursing assistant. It is as close as an unlicensed person is going to get to what nurses do, and will allow you to see if you have the belly for the work.


Originally Posted by Lbug09 View Post
Hi All...
I'm new to this site. I am looking at nursing programs in Boston, namely part-time evening programs since I work full time in an unrelated field (I have my BS in Marketing/Econ). I figure an ADN would be a good way for me to get my feet wet since I really don't know what I'm getting into. I have friends who have become nurses and they absolutely love what the do - their patients, the hours, the money of course. I am very reluctant to join a BSN or accelerated BSN program since there's a lot of risk involved there (higher cost, would require me to quit my job). I live in Boston and would want to work in a hospital after I graduate. Can anyone provide insights on: a) what the job market will look like in Boston in 2-3 years (I'm hearing it's rough right now); and b) is it worth going the ADN route instead of BSN given my reservations / ignorance to the profession right now? c) am I going to have a harder time finding a job w/ an ADN vs a BSN? I really really hope nursing is for me. Any help/insights are so very appreciated.
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No. 35
from ghillbert
Old Aug 10, 2009, 06:06 AM

Default Re: Job market prefers BSN , turns away ADN
Originally Posted by Otessa View Post
If they are looking at magnet status this may play into it. The number of nurses educated at higher levels "looks" better. I was on a committee at my old hospital and they looked heavily at how many nurses had PHd, MSN, MS, BSN, ADN and how we could have more tuition reimbursement so we could increase those going back to school for BSN and above.

otessa
It "looks better" because there is considerable evidence that the level of education of the nurses affects patient outcomes. BSN > ADN/ASN. Of course employers look at the whole applicant, but if I have equivalent people, one of whom has BSN and one who has ASN? I know I'm hiring the person with a bachelor degree.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I find it hard to believe that people are allowed to become RNs without a bachelor degree as a minimum. You need a bachelor degree as a minimum for so many fields which are NOT responsible for people's lives... This is a new thing to me since I did not train in the US and RNs must have bachelor degrees where I am from.
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No. 36
from Age1
Old Aug 24, 2009, 05:10 PM

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man.. I need my BSN. hahaha
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No. 37
Old Aug 31, 2009, 11:57 PM
Updated Sep 01, 2009 at 12:05 AM by carolinapooh

Default Re: Job market prefers BSN , turns away ADN
Originally Posted by HeartsOpenWide View Post
How many hours clinical did you get in your ADN? I got 900 hrs plus 300 extra credit hours with my BSN. Besides, clinical skills are easy to teach. My BSN was 6 semesters the ADN is only four...how could they possibly have more clinical than BSN?
I had 1000 clinical hours in residence in my ABSN (16 months), UNC has 819 in their traditional 4-year BSN, and a local community college has 728 in their ADN. A local diploma program has 675 clinical hours. I got all of this information from each school's handbook on their website.

I'm with you, Hearts. Where I'm from, 1000 > 675. And I have to admit - I was SURPRISED to find out that the diploma program had so few clinical hours compared to the other two programs, because I was always under the impression that diploma programs had so many more. I definitely learned something tonight.

I'll admit - when I'm the patient, I don't care what degree the nurse has as long as he/she knows what they're doing. But I have actually had pts point out the BSN on my ID badge and comment on it.

Sorry to all the ADN RNs - and I have been mentored by some of the best ADNs in the business - but at some point, if we expect to be 'taken seriously' - my guess is a BSN is going to have to become the entry level for the profession.
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No. 38
Old Sep 01, 2009, 12:03 AM

Default Re: Job market prefers BSN , turns away ADN
Originally Posted by llg View Post
In years past, it was often very difficult if not impossible to transfer academic from a diploma program to BSN program. However, over the last decade or so there has been a major effort made to ease the transition and allow for the transfer of far more credits.

Diploma programs have been smart enough to realize that they could not survive if there graduates were unable to advance their educations beyond that initial diploma. And universities have been smart enough to realize that the students looking for BSN completion programs can be a source of revenue. They don't need the 10:1 student to faculty ratios for clinical classes because they already have RN licenses. They can take classes with lots of students in them which are cheaper for the school to provide. So ... by making the transfer of credits easier, everybody wins. And that is happened.

So, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be as long as your classes were taken at properly accredited programs.
The diploma program up the road from me now has an agreement with a local private school, and its graduates finish with an Associates in Health Science (NOT the same as an ADN) and leave with general studies credits in addition to their nursing credits. Makes perfect sense to me, or I doubt the program would have been able to survive.
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No. 39
Old Sep 01, 2009, 12:06 AM

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And oh, is this thread straying...and I admit I've helped...sorry...
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