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| No. 80 | 
Apr 05, 2008, 06:04 PM
 Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr??
Yes, you are right in that the BSN RN has more education. I was required to take another Math class, 2 English writing classes, 9 credits of Humanities.......I could go on and on. More than half of the required classes were of this type. The nursing courses focus primarily on Public Health and Management. Neither of these have anything to do with being a floor nurse.
Could those of you correcting others spelling and grammar errors please stop. It is really very annoying and it is unnecessary to be so condescending!
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Apr 05, 2008, 08:20 PM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr?? Originally Posted by RNfor26  Yes, you are right in that the BSN RN has more education. I was required to take another Math class, 2 English writing classes, 9 credits of Humanities.......I could go on and on. More than half of the required classes were of this type. The nursing courses focus primarily on Public Health and Management. Neither of these have anything to do with being a floor nurse.
Could those of you correcting others spelling and grammar errors please stop. It is really very annoying and it is unnecessary to be so condescending!
I agree, I wouldn't normally correct anyone's spelling, but was responding to "allboutfamily's" post, in which along with her condescending attitute, corrected someone else's spelling of NCLEX (which was obviously just a typo) - I thought, if she is going to have this high and might attitute about her education, and correct other people, she should know that his/her spelling isn't so hot either!!
| | No. 82 |
Apr 05, 2008, 08:33 PM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr??
What would you find ridiculous about it? It is a proven fact that ADNs make more errors than BSN trained nurses, I was merely defending the ADN level of education by saying that I do not believe it to be inferior. It is viewed as "easier" and "quicker" by many students looking to go into nursing, and therefore there is a chance that it could draw more undesirable characters. Are you saying that it is the level of education that makes ADN schooled nurses more prone to med errors? Or perhaps you could offer your own explanation. I mean aside from saying, "It does not even warrant more of a comment than that!!!". My spelling is horrible, always has been, and I was honestly doing nothing more than poking fun at the spelling so it is defenitely fair game to tease me.
As far as the "extra classes", the best way I can explain the BSN program, or any Bachelors degree program, is that you take classes that do not "seem" to be directly related, but in the end they are. They offer you different perspectives and problem solving abilities, they help you to communicate better, and they excersise your brain if nothing else. If you go into these classes with a good attitude and willing to learn they are valuable, IMO.
| | No. 83 |
Apr 05, 2008, 08:46 PM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr??
I honestly do not know what courses a ADN takes to graduate as opposed to BSN. If I am not mistaken the clinical hours are identical (at least in CA) for both paths. What I do know is that I had originally planned to attend a ADN program and I only had to take an extra course in Chemistry to make up the difference. One course that I had to take for either was my general education class, specifically political science. Do I think this course made me a better nurse? Absolutely! The teacher was wonderful and he gave me a new perspective on the world, I became more open minded as a result of this class. I cannot say that I have ever had a class tht did not make me a better person, and nurse. I can also say that if I had went on to get my ADN I feel I would have been just as good of a nurse, because I would have been proactive and taken this extra time to expand my horizons as opposed to sitting in a lecture class. But, I do not know if this would be true of all nurses. This whole debate is petty, and what is more petty is that you assume I feel I am superior to ADN educated nurses in some way. These are your own insecurities, you can be the best nurse in the world if you want to, regardless of where you went to school. Get over it.
| | No. 84 |
Apr 06, 2008, 12:21 AM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr??
So Ive been reading through this post, just to get some different views on becoming a RN. Im an LPN and have been for about a year. I must say in the most respectable way, alot of people seem to be missing the bigger picture. I think alot of people need to come down off there high horse and fast. You are NOT by any means a better nurse because you have more education. The Rns I work with right now, suck. Not because they are RNs or because they only have ADs, just because of who they are as people. If you are truely a nurse for the right reasons, you are a nurse before you even start school. Being a nurse is the love of my life, along with my son. I went to school for a year. Yep thats right. ONLY a year. I also only have a year exp. GASP! But I bet if you ask my residents who takes the best care of them, they will say me or one of my A+ STNAs. So many people talk about Doctors and people not respecting nurses. Why should they, most nurses dont respect the ones "under" them. I could care less what your education level was if you were taking care of my loved one the right way. Im going back to school to be able to work more closely in pediatrics. Not for the pay, not for the credentials. I think some people really need to evaluate why they became a nurse in the first place. If you can lay your head on your pillow at night and know that you may have possibly changed a life or just put a smile on someones face, then kudos to you. If you lay your head on your pillow at night and see dollar signs, please get a new career.  | | No. 85 |
Apr 06, 2008, 09:07 AM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr?? Originally Posted by NursePeace So Ive been reading through this post, just to get some different views on becoming a RN. Im an LPN and have been for about a year. I must say in the most respectable way, alot of people seem to be missing the bigger picture. I think alot of people need to come down off there high horse and fast. You are NOT by any means a better nurse because you have more education. The Rns I work with right now, suck. Not because they are RNs or because they only have ADs, just because of who they are as people. If you are truely a nurse for the right reasons, you are a nurse before you even start school. Being a nurse is the love of my life, along with my son. I went to school for a year. Yep thats right. ONLY a year. I also only have a year exp. GASP! But I bet if you ask my residents who takes the best care of them, they will say me or one of my A+ STNAs. So many people talk about Doctors and people not respecting nurses. Why should they, most nurses dont respect the ones "under" them. I could care less what your education level was if you were taking care of my loved one the right way. Im going back to school to be able to work more closely in pediatrics. Not for the pay, not for the credentials. I think some people really need to evaluate why they became a nurse in the first place. If you can lay your head on your pillow at night and know that you may have possibly changed a life or just put a smile on someones face, then kudos to you. If you lay your head on your pillow at night and see dollar signs, please get a new career.
Very well said! I appreciate your post!
| | No. 86 |
Apr 06, 2008, 01:41 PM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr?? Originally Posted by Freedom42 As one poster has already noted, the NCLEX is only one indicator of minimum competency. Of course you would expect most candidates to pass (although, according to the organization that develops the test, most of those who pass only answer about 50 percent of the questions correctly). It's also important to note that the test does not measure all of the skills or knowledge taught at the baccalaureate level.
When I took my boards they were just that State boards, everyone took the same test. 5 sections of 250 questions per section. You had to get a passing sore in each section to pass, if you failed on section you had to repeat the test. It has been 30 years but if I remember correctly the 5 sections were: OB, Peds, Medical, Surgical, and General nursing. The test took 2 full days to complete and then you waited 2 months for the results. All of you who take the NCLEX are lucky and I bet a lot of you would not pass the old Ohio State boards.
Yes, the BSNs and the ADN took the same test. Like I stated earlier I am a ADN who went back to school for a BSN.
| | No. 87 |
Apr 06, 2008, 02:17 PM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr??
I defenitely agree with a majority of the text written by NursePeace, and defenitely in regards to education level not making the nurse. The one thing I have always differed in opinion on is why people should become nurses, or that only those with specific motivations make good nurses.
My instructors have always preached to us that the only good nurses are the ones who become nurses because they have "a calling". Personally I wanted to become a nurse because I feel I will be very good at it given my skill set, and I feel I can make a positive contribution to society. Would I pursue a career in nursing if I could only make ten dollars an hour doing it, No. There are people that would still do it if the pay was minimum wage, and still others that would do it for free. These people are happy with thier work and maybe even more likely to be good at it. But I do know people that became nurses for the money and are very good nurses (yes I know this is illogical). Specifically, I know an ICU nurse who takes pride in his work, is very skilled, cares for the welfare of his patients, and strives to better himself as a nurse. He is continually recieving accolades from his peers, supervisors, and patients. His main motivation is money (as he told me), and always has been. He said by being the best nurse he can he ensures optimum profit. This leads me to believe (further) that one can be a good nurse regardless of motivation (unless your motivation is to be a bad nurse! lol).
I also feel that the whole "calling" theory has been historically used to supress nurses by making them feel guilty when asking for appropraite pay for thier work. Nurses do a hard job that is much needed, there is no reason why you all should feel guilty when asking for compensation.
In the end I do not care why someone wanted to become a nurse, or where they went to school, as long as they are a good and honest nurse.
The only way we could really solve this debate would be to conduct a study to see if the level of care was affected by the nurses motivation for becoming a nurse, otherwise it is all heresay. Of course studies based upon disclosure of personal opinion are not very accurate (usually).
| | No. 89 |
Apr 06, 2008, 10:30 PM
Re: How much difference in pay do two year rn's get than four yr??
im getting my bsn and i hope to go into military or correctional nursing but if that wasnt my path i would do the adn
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