Frustrated in BSN program - page 2

by JZ_RN | 13,258 Views | 128 Comments

So I am tired of getting treated like an ignorant, useless nurse because I only have an ADN and denied employment everywhere because I'm not a BSN. I get into a BSN program and start taking EXPENSIVE classes, on my own dime, and... Read More


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    Quote from MunoRN
    That would seem to imply a significant difference, as opposed to "semantics" in which the only difference is the word used.. I was talking with another Nurse the other night who had an ASN and wanted an MSN at some point and figured she needed a BSN first. She was looking at an MSN program (which was not designed as an ADN to MSN program) which required a BSN, although they would accept a 4 page essay in lieu of a BSN. This was one of the top ranked Nursing programs in the nation which considered the difference between an ASN and a BSN to be essentially a 4 page homework assignment, not exactly a significant difference.
    Well, this isn't the ADN vs BSN debate. I was just pointing out that your comment about some people viewing the ADN as "minimal education" is not really an insult, but just a fact. Just as an MSN is the minimal education for a NP...etc, etc... Although I was corrected that a diploma is actually the "minimal education." Of course, that's assuming that we're only talking about college education..which in this case, we are.

    Anyhow, the OP has a difficult decision (but at the same time pretty simple to outsiders) to make. Either she remains an ADN nurse and works in her current job...which she may love and be happy with forever...

    OR...she gets a BSN and goes for a hospital job.

    I know everyone loves to say that hospitals don't care if you have an ADN or BSN, but story after story like this says otherwise.
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    Quote from MunoRN
    That would seem to imply a significant difference, as opposed to "semantics" in which the only difference is the word used.. I was talking with another Nurse the other night who had an ASN and wanted an MSN at some point and figured she needed a BSN first. She was looking at an MSN program (which was not designed as an ADN to MSN program) which required a BSN, although they would accept a 4 page essay in lieu of a BSN. This was one of the top ranked Nursing programs in the nation which considered the difference between an ASN and a BSN to be essentially a 4 page homework assignment, not exactly a significant difference.
    What school is this, btw?
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    I'm right in the same boat with you- working 40 hrs a week, taking full-time classes to bridge from my ADN to BSN. I spend ALL of my free time studying and doing assignments that have so far, been only mildly useful to my worklife. My only hope is that once my BSN is complete, I might actually be CONSIDERED for a job at a hospital instead of LTC or clinic nursing, and nurses at the hospital here make almost twice what LTC or clinic nurses do...
    JZ_RN likes this.
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    I say to stick with it. I do believe if you quit now, you would be kicking yourself later on.

    My schooling for the coveted RN-BSN starts in Feb of 2013. I have been working in a hospital since I was 18 as a CNA, LPN and then ADN. Even though I'm in the middle of my career, I feel the need to return to school. Will it help me with pt's as a staff?Charge nurse? Sigh..I don't really know. Everyone I talk to whom has taken this route, says it will not. However, I can't see how this won't help me somewhere down the road. Maybe it will give me a different perspective of things from a more subtle point of view?

    All I know is, if I want to survive and have more options as an older nurse, I better get that BSN.
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    "Are you taking pathophysiology yet? I don't see how learning the disease process wouldn't help a hospital nurse."


    She has an ADN.....she has had loads of pathophysiology. What exactly do you think ADNs spend their 2-3 years learning??

    I also find it interesting when folks mention that what they are learning in their BSN program is how to compose appropriate citations. Seriously? We did that in our ADN program from day one. All work (even the dreaded careplans) were completed following APA rules. I have an ADN and a BS in Psychology. What could a BSN teach me? Leadership? Already got it. Stats? Got it. How to critique research? Did that for my ADN and for my Psych BS we designed, ran and evaluated original research.

    Will I jump through the BSN hoop? Maybe. Rather pursue an MSN and see what exciting new things that has to offer. For now, perfectly satisfied as a nurse supervisor at an ASC.
    Last edit by Student Mom to Three on Nov 23, '12 : Reason: punctuation
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    Quote from Student Mom to Three
    "Are you taking pathophysiology yet? I don't see how learning the disease process wouldn't help a hospital nurse."

    She has an ADN.....she has had loads of pathophysiology. What exactly do you think ADNs spend their 2-3 years learning??
    I think all ADN programs require anatomy and physiology I and II, but I don't know of any (although I'm sure they exist) that require pathophysiology.

    My BSN program required pathophysiology but I don't know if I'd even consider that "loads."

    Either way, it doesn't really matter in this case because the bottom line seems to be that she wants to work in a hospital and by her own testimony can't even get an interview. Maybe it isn't the pathophysiology they think the BSN brings, but it doesn't change the simple fact that more and more hospitals want it.

    I checked just to be sure and my local CC doesn't require it. In fact, many students take the ADN route here after they fail patho at the university for the very reason that they don't have to take it. After doing a simple search here on allnurses.com I came across this thread where people are saying that even pharmacology isn't part of their ADN program. That's even more shocking.

    http://allnurses.com/general-nursing...gy-757247.html
    Last edit by Ntheboat2 on Nov 23, '12
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    Of course they learn pathophysiology and pharmacology....maybe the classes just don't have those titles. In my program we went by systems....learn the cardiac/neuro/GI/whatever diseases appropriate medications and move on to the next. In the first quarter of my ADN program we were expected to fully understand pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics.

    It is ridiculous to state that ADN students don't learn pathophysiology or pharmacology. Diabetes? Insulin? CHF? Lasix? Come on. Give me a break.
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    That's like saying, "Of course I know CPR. Just because I don't have my card doesn't mean I don't know it!"

    How about, "Of course I did that. Just because I didn't chart it doesn't mean I didn't do it."

    Eh, you're probably right. An entire semester devoted to the disease process adds nothing more than a little bit incorporated here and there.

    Everyone drop out now! It doesn't matter if hospitals won't call you for an interview.
    softrbreeze likes this.
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    I am with you JZ_RN and you are correct. I felt the same way in my RN to BSN program. However, I am done in December 2012. It was crap did not teach me anything I did not know, already. Only, busy useless homework. I guess the universities want to make money for nothing. BTW it was easy BSN. Nothing new or challenging.
    But you must do it. Otherwise in few years nobody will hire you without BSN. Even the HH agencies want BSN.
    Last edit by livtek on Nov 23, '12 : Reason: more to add
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    What school is this, btw?
    She's looking to follow her BF to the University of Washington, the top ranked Nursing school for the past 27 years.


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