Frustrated in BSN program - page 11
So I am tired of getting treated like an ignorant, useless nurse because I only have an ADN and denied employment everywhere because I'm not a BSN. I get into a BSN program and start taking EXPENSIVE classes, on my own dime, and... Read More
- 0Nov 25, '12 by PMFB-RNQuote from subee*** Personaly I see great value in a liberal arts education. However I wanted to point out that lot's of physicians DO skip the liberal arts education. In many other countries physicians spend 5-6 years in post secondary education to become physicians. I work with lots of physicians who have BMBS degrees as their qualifying degree. The BMBS are bachelors UNDERGRADUATE degree taking 5-6 years to earn. If you look at the classes they take there is almost no liberal arts education provided.A bachelor's degree implies a liberal education- it's not an supposed to be an advanced trade school degree. If exposure to the liberal arts is a waste of time, then maybe physicians should just go from junior college right into med school. After all, what do they need history, literature or philosophy for if they just going to be a doctor?
- 3Nov 25, '12 by redhead_NURSE98!Quote from Ntheboat2Maybe because those who are calling their BSNs useless actually had an ADN first...and certain people who like to throw insults at ADN programs have never set foot into an ADN classroom?I'm not sure why it's acceptable (although really it's only acceptable on this forum) to tell people that their bachelor's degrees are "useless, fluff, a waste of time, etc," but it's just APPALLING ...if...after twisting words, putting them under a microscope, and taking them out of context....someone believes that people with associate's degrees were somehow insulted.
- 0Nov 25, '12 by redhead_NURSE98!Quote from Ntheboat2You misspelled "judgmental." And I never said spelling doesn't matter. You used a spelling mistake to demean someone you believed only held an associate degree, and I stated that neither spelling nor grammar are learned in college."Spelling doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with intelligence. It was learned in elementary school. You're so judgemental. Blah blah blah."
- 0Nov 25, '12 by Ntheboat2Quote from redhead_NURSE98!Oh..you sure got me! Refer to the rest of that post to see how else I feel about the topic.You misspelled "judgmental." And I never said spelling doesn't matter. You used a spelling mistake to demean someone you believed only held an associate degree, and I stated that neither spelling nor grammar are learned in college.
I didn't use "a spelling mistake" to "demean" anyone. There were and still are REPEATED "mistakes" actually. Plus, "nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent."
Once again, the people throwing insults at the ADN programs in this case are obviously the hospitals. Some people just LOVE the ADN/BSN debate and will take any and every opportunity to create one where one doesn't exist which is what happened on this thread.
There are a large group of people who have a BSN that would have no reason to ever step foot into an ADN classroom. If the basis is, "you can't have an opinion on the program unless you've been in it," then I guess ONLY BSN grads should be able to have an opinion on the BSN program. Yeah...right.
- 0Nov 26, '12 by Susie2310I can understand there may be many reasons why someone would be disinterested in pursuing a BSN. ADN and bridge to BSN were right for me when I did them around 17 years ago. My ADN program provided excellent clinical training and I have never regretted training there. It was the right time in my life for me to be in college. But during most of the years since then returning to college would have been out of the question. And today I am not interested in being in college and neither program would be right for me because of where I am in my life now and who I am today. If I was trying to bridge in to the same BSN program I went through today I would likely be severely dissatisfied (not just burned out after my ADN program) because I REALLY wouldn't want to be there now. So I can empathize with the people who said "No, I got very little or nothing out of it," or who are pursuing their BSN currently and are disinterested, or those who will be doing it but have little enthusiasm for it.
- 0Nov 26, '12 by BostonTerrierLoverRNI know it may "kind of" be off topic, but not fully, and the reason I ask is because my curiosity is peaked by this thread, and the OP's frustration. So, if you find it distracting- please ignore me- no hard feelings.
I did my BSN at my State's Public Medical Center's University. It was didactic/traditional 12 month Tr-Fri-Sat, every-other-week. (ADN-BSN). I just wondered what you guys think about the quality of those "online" programs vs. traditional Classroom/Lab?
Reason I ask really is not why you would think (Old schooler bashing technology/non-classroom BSN), it's because there are some really prestigious Universities I couldn't have afforded to move to pursuing it, and it would be "less frustrating" at 'my' own pace. Then I could have had a Duke, NYU, Columbia, or Tulane Education/BSN instead of my Lil' Discount, public schooled'$1800/semester (then) BSN. But, for the record, I loved my year there, it was really fun, and I learned a great deal- and got networked for my MSN- that I never planned to have!
P.S. Always know what your facility offers in BSN assistance- I accidentally got a BSN Scholarship from my Hospital's Healthcare Network by application for CEU assistance for RN-C, Lol! So I jumped on it
Just seems an online program would be much less frustrating on time, gas money, etc. it may be $$$, I don't know- but sure they vary.Last edit by BostonTerrierLoverRN on Nov 26, '12 : Reason: Clarification
- 1Nov 26, '12 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorI think that sometimes......we all forget about auto correct or the epic failures of auto correct. I think we all need to be respectful of each other opinions, spellings, and grammatical errors.
We can all "agree to disagree without being disagreeable" (Gerald Ford) and disrespectful. I am sure no one was pointing out a spelling mistake to "demean" anyone for we are all professionals....right? I, for one, know that my fingers.... and keyboard... get the better of me........AND....... I sometimes type while impaired........visually impaired that is......for I think if the the key board is far enough away I can still see it without my glasses (magnifying glass)....
Sometimes, I am multitasking too much trying to feed a house full of 15-16 year old (boys and girls/I have one of each) I probably shouldn't be typing......but AN is my obsession. I normally don't engage posts but I would like to point out that we are not perfect....although as nurses we are expected to be......but before "we" discuss others spelling and intelligence we need to look to our selves first.....from a previous post......these were misspelled....brain work, high school, everything, accommodate I even read a previous post on the thread which mentioned the "dumming" down of college courses. Ironic error in spelling.
I believe that the schools are "DUMMING DOWN" (misspelling intended) the curriculum to "prove" the ADN programs inadequate and to promote their advanced degree agenda. I come from that generation that, for the most part, all nurses started with the same education. There was much less bickering then...sigh. But as the hospitals began to "demand" the ASN degree nurses over the "diploma grads"......the diploma grads became defensive and fearful. Once again history repeats itself.
Of course the difference between a BSN/RN program is vastly different than the program giving an ASN/ADN a bachelors degree and cannot be compared. One program is training a new nurse and the other is school one who is already a nurse. They are apples and oranges and have nothing in common other than the words...... Bachelors of Science in Nursing and the letters BSN.
The OP is a nurse getting her BSN and it is difficult to see what spending all this time and money, in the end, going to do for you....a whopping 50 cents an hour???? It make you question why put up with the frustration. What will it really mean in the end. The ADN bridging to the BSN has a completely different program than the entry level BSN. It does make you wonder when youa re in the throws of frustration and bills......What exactly is this for? What am I going to gain from this??? When they already have a full time job and are happy at the bedside.
Whether or not there are repeated mistakes in a casual forum has little to do with the subject of the thread......Although, I agree......"nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent."
Let's stick to the topic at hand...the OP's frustration with her BSN bridge program.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 26, '12
- 0Nov 26, '12 by redhead_NURSE98!Quote from Esme12No, actually they did, I could direct you to the post in another thread. Turns out the person was a BSN grad lmaoI think that sometimes......we all forget about auto correct or the epic failures of auto correct. I think we all need to be respectful of each other opinions, spellings, and grammatical errors.
We can all "agree to disagree without being disagreeable" (Gerald Ford) and disrespectful. I am sure no one was pointing out a spelling mistake to "demean" anyone for we are all professionals....right?
- 1Nov 26, '12 by Ntheboat2Quote from redhead_NURSE98!Oh, right.....and saying that BSN nurses make less errors because sitting at a desk isn't dangerous was said without any intent to be "demeaning," I'm sure!No, actually they did, I could direct you to the post in another thread. Turns out the person was a BSN grad lmao
Either you really don't understand research if you think that someone did a study of bedside nurses AND managers to reflect the mistakes of bedside nurses....or you were trying to say that BSN nurses don't do anything other than "sit at a desk." For the record, you'll need to direct yourself further than that single thread to find where the "demeaning" began. Here's a hint: it didn't start with me.
I love that the passive-aggressive behavior so common in real life among nurses spills over into the virtual world. "I wasn't talking about you." "This person." "That wasn't directed toward anyone at all." Right.
Esme made some good points and there's really nothing else to add from here. So, once again, I'll bow out of this discussion....until next time someone wants to turn a totally unrelated thread into this same debate!