BSN vs. ADN income disparity - page 5

I just went to a job fair and got a sheet from Loyola Hospital in Chicago. They pay their new ADN's 24.20. They pay new BSNs only 24.50 an hour. That does not make me happy at all. I am... Read More

  1. by   sunnyjohn
    I have no problem with BSN and direct -entry grads being paid a premium. The profession should value education.

    HOWEVER, I do think every new nurse, Diploma, ADN, BSN or direct-entry MS should spend some time at the bedside AS A NURSE before they go of into nurse management or other lofty advanced nursing fields.

    Why not add the bedside nursing contact experience to your management repertoire? "Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."


    Even with past experinces in medical management and healthcare, bedside exerience is a good thing. How much better to understand the complaints of those around you when you've walked in their shoes.
  2. by   jjjoy
    Personally, I don't think any new grad nurse should be making the same as an experienced nurse. Orientees should be on a lower pay scale until they are taking a full-load.

    I understand that no one likes to see someone get paid more for doing the same job. However, as it is RNs don't have any control over increasing their payscale. If BSNs were on a different pay scale (though straight out of school newbies should get the same pay, BSN or not), then one could boost one's salary by going back to school instead of having to find another job altogether to get better pay.

    But nursing costs are one of the many things hospitals are always trying to control. So of course, they don't want to create a system that means increasing salaries. It also doesn't make sense to them to encourage nurses to have BSNs because BSNs are less likely to put with poor staffing and the like because they have more well-paid opportunities outside of the hospital.
  3. by   romie
    I wish to apologize to everyone for accidently starting a flamming war. I think we should avoid personal attacks. I think we should honor all nurses--remember that the first nurses were brave selfless people who did the dirtiest work under the worst conditions. Every nurse, be it an LPN, ADN, BSN, MSN or PhD prepared nurse who is in direct contact with their patients or community of patients should be honored. I'd like to see everyone's pay increased--whatever the Physical Therapist did to make themselves so valuable, I don't know.

    I am cranky from my diet and stress from school--my program has an exam practically every other day-- normally my posts are pleasant and supportive. I am ashamed I have come off c*cky, which in real life I am very humble. I know that some of the most awesome bedside nurses are diploma nurses who can spot a urinary meatus in a female in the dark from across the room while some BSN prepared newbies couldn't find it even with GPS and a map.

    I think nurse managers need to stay connected to their patients. I get annoyed at nurse managers who never bother to meet patients yet make critical decisions about their care. In my management position--I was an Alzheimer's Director, I did all of the management stuff, I was a department head, but you know what, I still wiped up poo, helped bus dishes, gave my CNA's breaks from difficult residents, because to me it is always about people. They inspire me to come to work every day. So I hope we can end this thread on a more positive note.


    I think the real problem lies with the hospital administrators--not necessarily nurses. Sure, I think if nurses did a better job of organizing themselves--look what the california nurses did--they rock! It's too bad all of you awesome nurses are usually too wiped out after work due to administration imposed short staffing to organize yourself, especially if you have the second job of taking care of kids and keeping your significant other happy while maintaining some semblance (sp) of a personal life.
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from romie
    I wish to apologize to everyone for accidently starting a flamming war. I think we should avoid personal attacks.
    Personal attacks are a T.O.S. violation. Please report them using the report system to the side using the button that looks like this:

    This forum was created to group these discussion in one forum. A little more leeway is allowed for "heated discussions" than on other forums, but if anyone anytime feels a personal attack is going on, let us know.

    Thanks.


    Please note that I have moved several posts off forum. So if you get an pm that a post has been moved, it's because it was off-topic, inflammatory, or you were responding to a flame.
    Last edit by Tweety on Feb 19, '07
  5. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from romie
    Every nurse, be it an LPN, ADN, BSN, MSN or PhD prepared nurse who is in direct contact with their patients or community of patients should be honored.
    I can understand how it would be frustrating to invest more time and energy into your education, and not reap the benefits immediately at the bedside.

    However, as I pointed out previously...the BSN graduate is prepared to move in other extensions of nursing, where the ADN is not. Therefore, you investment does pay off in other respects.

    As you have stated, you have the option to pursue other positions in nursing and leave the low bedside pay to others. If that is your choice, then do so. No need in insulting anyone or suggesting that ADNs are inferior. That's just an all around bad attitude to have. Someone that claims to be so highly educated should easily recognize that. Good luck in your endeavors!
    Last edit by Tweety on Feb 19, '07
  6. by   cardiacRN2006
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  7. by   romie
    Again, I wish to apologize to anyone who felt I may have insinuated that ADNs are inferior. Thank you Soldier'swife for reminding me to be humble.
  8. by   Tweety
    Romie, I appreciate your apology. I think some of the things you said were wrong and a bit disrespectful, but you've also made some very good points as well. (Leeway given for crankiness from the diet and school. I'm doing that myself right now. LOL) I hope you've gained an understanding of how we feel and I wish you well with your degree and career.

    All opinions are valid however and should be respected, including yours and everyones, whether I agree or not.
    Last edit by Tweety on Feb 19, '07
  9. by   Tweety
    Quote from asoldierswife05
    I can understand how it would be frustrating to invest more time and energy into your education, and not reap the benefits immediately at the bedside.

    However, as I pointed out previously...the BSN graduate is prepared to move in other extensions of nursing, where the ADN is not. Therefore, you investment does pay off in other respects.

    As you have stated, you have the option to pursue other positions in nursing and leave the low bedside pay to others. If that is your choice, then do so. No need in insulting anyone or suggesting that ADNs are inferior. That's just an all around bad attitude to have. Someone that claims to be so highly educated should easily recognize that. Good luck in your endeavors!

    Excellent points. No need for us to tear another down to justify building ourselves up.
  10. by   RNsRWe
    Romie, I am glad that I finished reading this thread before shooting from the hip on a comment you made to me that I found particulary disrespectful and quite simply, wrong in blatant assumptions. I sat on my hands before typing something truly blazing. I hope I do that enough.

    I am glad I finished reading because I see that you have apologized for the manner in which you have spoken here. And that is important in a forum such as this. We can't know that you're having a cranky day and just flew off a poor statement, but we see that statement permanently every time we view a thread. Expect to have the written word come back to you as threads that seem "old" get resurrected with new interest from time to time.

    Good luck to you in your endeavors. Hopefully you will not be so disenchanted with the world of nursing as it is today that you will choose to not be part of it. Seek betterment always, but remember that betterment is not always in the forms you expect.
  11. by   lauralassie
    When you get your NP you'll get payed more. Don't care, and I mean don't care what or how many degrees you have. If you can't stand beside me in a critical situation and know what your doing, or take care of multiple pt's that flow endlessly into an ER , not talking tooth aches, talking MI's , trauma etc...etc...then, I don't care if your Queen Elizibeth, you shouldn't make more than me. If I have to train you, be in charge over you, if you make the same or more I expect results. Don't need someone to tell me chemical reactions to carbon and iodine when I have a coding child , trauma, 2 MI's , a pt with a heart rate of210 , a coulple drunks and a pink slipper who's trying to excape as well as 28 other beds with god knows what, all with 38 pt's still in triage. Now once you complete your np, yes you get payed for what you do. But, I'm sure there will be NP's with more experience that came from one of those adn or diploma schools that never went for a degree in biology etc. that will make more than you. I hope you don't think you should make more than Np's with more experince than you because they don't have a secondary degree in rocket science. I wouldn't work for an employer who valued a professional student over a nurse with real experience. I would bet the public feels that way as well.
    Last edit by lauralassie on Feb 23, '07
  12. by   Katydidit34
    "I know that some of the most awesome bedside nurses are diploma nurses who can spot a urinary meatus in a female in the dark from across the room while some BSN prepared newbies couldn't find it even with GPS and a map."

    This just cracked me up!!! LOL!!! Thanks for taking the time to apologize. We have to stick together and lift each other up regardless of our education. The cool thing is that in this profession and in this country, we all have the opportunity to excel as far as we choose to. Unfortunately, there's a ladder you have to climb on the way up and we ALL start at the bottom. It's good to vent, just try to always be thoughtful of the audience who may be a witness to the wrath. LOL!! Best of luck to you!!
  13. by   laizure
    It took me years to make this statement and mean it:

    "Not everything is about money! Are you happy with your work"

    I live in Silicon Valley, People make upwards of $200k a year in various lines of work. At one time in my life I was making a lot of money, however, I was unhappy with my work. It took me years to get over that fact. I would rather be happy with my work than worry about how much I am paid. Sure, I would like more money, but I am happy.

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