BSN as entry into practice; why we decided against it. - page 22

by MunoRN 26,380 Views | 240 Comments

While hopefully avoiding stoking the ADN - BSN debate unnecessarily, I thought I'd share my experience with my state's consideration of BSN as entry into practice, as well as the BSN-in-10 initiative. About 3 years ago I sat... Read More


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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** Every ICU I have ever worked in did primary nursing. There may or may not be CNAs in the unit. If there is there are helpers and don't bath or clean up patients by themselves, at least not in my experience. You have to cut Ntheboat2 a little slack s/he is either not a nurse or a brand new nurse and doesn't yet realize what the real nursing world is like.
    You're the one that has to be excused because you're so intent on having an ADN/BSN debate that you can't think clearly about the topic at hand.

    There are "too many RNs" but there are definitely NOT too many nurses with master's degrees. That's why there's a faculty shortage that's going to get worse. It probably has to do with the fact that the pay is horrible and you can get paid more to work at the bedside without a master's.

    It's cute that you got offended for being called out on your false claims of having a BSN just to help out your argument so now you want to say, "Ntheboat doesn't know anything" blah blah blah.

    I took a pay cut to become a CNA just so I could "wipe butts" and make sure nursing is what I wanted to do. I'm an expert butt wiper, but when someone asks what I do, wiping butts has NEVER been at the top of the list even when I did it several times a day!
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    [QUOTE=tokmom;7062954]Who do you think wipes them when the CNA's are cut?[/QUOTE

    An even better question is, why do you wait for the CNA to be cut to wipe them?
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    Quote from tokmom
    Who do you think wipes them when the CNA's are cut?[/QUOTE

    An even better question is, why do you wait for the CNA to be cut to wipe them?
    Honey, I have wiping hineys since I was 17 yrs old. Never turned away from one yet. I work very hard, so don't assume.

    I'm simply responding to what you wrote, which is part of this quote:That's sad if you think you're a glorified butt wiper. Where do you work that they would even pay an RN to be a butt wiper? They must be hard up.

    Are you not implying that YOU don't wipe them? You must not work in a hospital, because nurses wipe'm all the time.
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    I think it's a shame after nurses have had to work so hard to be seen as a valuable member of the healthcare profession instead of "butt wipers" that nurses themselves would say something as ridiculous as, "I don't need a master's degree to wipe butts."

    That's sad if you think you're a glorified butt wiper. Where do you work that they would even pay an RN to be a butt wiper? They must be hard up.
    Why is that ridiculous? Do I need a masters degree to wipe butts? I was unaware.

    There are plenty of tasks done by a nurse that are not required to be done by a nurse, all day long. Where do YOU work that you do not know this? Total patient care = nurse wipes butts. Among other things. Even if I do happen to work with techs, I prefer not to trust the skin assessment of unlicensed personnel and look at the butt myself. Sorry if you have a problem with that.
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    Quote from nursel56
    Right now, for example, they have backed off current nursing shortage for the most part and are running around attempting to scare people about the coming epic catastrophe shortage that's supposed to arrive around 2020. It was scheduled to arrive in 2010 but then they discovered several hundred thousand young female nurses graduating between 2005 and 2009 they hadn't noticed before.
    I laughed so hard at this paragraph that I was incontinent of bladder. Where can I find a masters educated nurse to utilize a barrier wipe and get me some clean drawers? (Oh and to do it for the wages of a mid-entry level sales professional?) I trust none of you undereducated peons with my nether regions.
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    Quote from MunoRN
    I'm curious what you think the difference is? BSN program English dept prereq requirement is typically limited to just Eng 101, ASN programs also require Eng 101, what's the difference?
    I wonder about the quality of colleges these folks went to, if they think spelling and grammar are the measure of an institution of higher learning.
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    [QUOTE=tokmom;7063063]
    Quote from Ntheboat2

    Honey, I have wiping hineys since I was 17 yrs old. Never turned away from one yet. I work very hard, so don't assume.

    I'm simply responding to what you wrote, which is part of this quote:That's sad if you think you're a glorified butt wiper. Where do you work that they would even pay an RN to be a butt wiper? They must be hard up.

    Are you not implying that YOU don't wipe them? You must not work in a hospital, because nurses wipe'm all the time.
    Ohhh...okay, so you make assumptions but I'm not supposed to?

    I'm surprised that a nurse would even read that statement as saying, "nurses don't wipe butts."

    What I was actually saying is (and it seems clear to me at least), I don't know where an RN would work that "butt wiper" would be the first job responsibility that comes to mind and/or how he or she would describe their job.

    A CNA's role is much more important than "butt wiper" so I just find it ridiculous that an RN would say they don't need a higher education to wipe butts. That would be correct though if your job was "butt wiper." However, since an RN's job is so much more than that, I don't see that any facility would hire an RN whose main role is butt wiper when they could pay someone much less to do just that.

    It's interesting that the thought process is, "You don't need a master's degree to wipe butts" though. So, does that mean that you DO need an associate's or bachelor's degree to be a butt wiper?

    Whatever....it's just a dumb thing to say and actually sad if the value you put on your role in patient care is butt wiper and coke delivery person regardless of what's on your name badge.
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    Did you even read what I said?


    "Butt wiper" is typically how an uneducated non-nurse views a nurse.

    Random person: "What did you go to school for?"
    Nurse: "Oh, I went to school for nursing. I'm an RN."
    Random person: "Oh, so you're a butt wiper."

    Seriously? I think it's pitiful if a CNA even labels themselves as a butt wiper, but an RN saying "Who needs one of them there edumications to wipe ace?!" is just ignorant and doesn't help the misconception that nurses are just "overpaid butt wipers."
    Yep, requiring a masters degree for floor nurses will really help that misconception on being "overpaid butt wipers." Then it'll be "overpaid, overeducated butt wipers with no career sense." Sign me up!
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    [QUOTE=Ntheboat2;7063015]
    Quote from tokmom
    Who do you think wipes them when the CNA's are cut?[/QUOTE

    An even better question is, why do you wait for the CNA to be cut to wipe them?
    Reading comprehension, it's what's for breakfast.
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    Yep, requiring a masters degree for floor nurses will really help that misconception on being "overpaid butt wipers." Then it'll be "overpaid, overeducated butt wipers with no career sense." Sign me up!
    When have I EVER (ever, ever) said anything about floor nurses needing a master's degree??

    The only conversation that I participated in about a master's degree was speaking about nursing faculty. You have to have a master's degree to be a nurse educator which really has nothing to do with having too many ADN/BSN prepared nurses or ADN/BSN nursing schools. There are too many RN's being churned out, true. There are NOT too many master's prepared nurses being churned out to staff faculty positions because most people who are going to get a master's degree in nursing are going to be an NP or do something where they are paid MORE than a floor nurse, not less.


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