BSN as entry into practice; why we decided against it. - page 16

While hopefully avoiding stoking the ADN - BSN debate unnecessarily, I thought I'd share my experience with my state's consideration of BSN as entry into practice, as well as the BSN-in-10... Read More

  1. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from subee
    d-e-l-i-b-e-r-a-t-e-l-y deliberately
    f-a-c-t-u-a-l-l-y factually
    s-u-c-c-e-s-s-f-u-l-l-y successfully

    I do this not out of cattiness. Just to illustrate that a good education never hurt anyone..ANYONE.
    Spelling is important; especially when you're the teacher.
    *** Ya I can't spell. I have dyslexia, didn't learn to read until I was 11 (I remember my teacher telling my mom "he's just to dumb to learn to read") and no spell check on my phone. Also huge hands that make typing on anything other than a full sized keyboard difficult. I am also a graduate of a well respected state university BSN program.
    I don't teach spelling, I teach hemodynamics, gtts, and a couple other subjects. Once again I can't spell, I know that, in addition my huge fingers make typos common. I deal with it.
    Now any comments on the content of my message?
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  2. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from favflu
    To be a substitute teacher, they need a bachelor's degree. To teach as a licensed professional they are mandated to have a master' degree. This should be in all 50 states. In my opinion, there's no excuse for higher education in nursing, to improve critical thinking and evidence-based practice
    What is the evidence that ADN RNs have less critical thinking skills than nurses with BSN? How is that measured? Why and how would requiring BSNs improve EBP?
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  3. Visit  FlyingScot profile page
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    Quote from favflu
    In my opinion, there's no excuse for higher education in nursing, to improve critical thinking and evidence-based practice
    Oh yeah because the Advanced Birdwatching class my friend's kid is taking in her BSN program is really going to increase her critical thinking skills. I'm not kidding.
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  4. Visit  Ntheboat2 profile page
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    I think it's a shame after nurses have had to work so hard to be seen as a valuable member of the healthcare profession instead of "butt wipers" that nurses themselves would say something as ridiculous as, "I don't need a master's degree to wipe butts."

    That's sad if you think you're a glorified butt wiper. Where do you work that they would even pay an RN to be a butt wiper? They must be hard up.
  5. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from Overland1
    Why do we not just require PhD's for all nurses? Then we could be addressed as "Doctor Nurse..."

    Seriously, it looks like some in Nursing are really trying to do some serious damage to the profession by requiring advanced degrees. Must be (at least where they are employed) there is a glut of nurses that will continue for the coming decades. When those calls for such requirements come from the "educators", a conclusion can be easily drawn.
    What they "call for" is a shell game they can change with the winds anytime they see fit because 1) they have a lock on the media due to reporters being lazy and accepting their talking points as "truth" and 2) nobody holds them accountable for their inconsistencies or record of failure on 100% of their past predictions.

    You will still hear the old talking points and the ossified thinking patterns in the rank and file of faculty (thank God it's not the faculty who post regularly here) who I guess figure their degree exempts them from thoughfully reading through a thread before depositing a rash and insulting series of comments.

    Right now, for example, they have backed off current nursing shortage for the most part and are running around attempting to scare people about the coming epic catastrophe shortage that's supposed to arrive around 2020. It was scheduled to arrive in 2010 but then they discovered several hundred thousand young female nurses graduating between 2005 and 2009 they hadn't noticed before.

    Not sure if pressuring faculty to earn their doctoral degrees in the midst of a drastic faculty shortage is sensible either.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Dec 7, '12 : Reason: removed quote not relevant
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  6. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Quote from subee
    d-e-l-i-b-e-r-a-t-e-l-y deliberately
    f-a-c-t-u-a-l-l-y factually
    s-u-c-c-e-s-s-f-u-l-l-y successfully

    I do this not out of cattiness. Just to illustrate that a good education never hurt anyone..ANYONE.
    Spelling is important; especially when you're the teacher.
    I'm curious what you think the difference is? BSN program English dept prereq requirement is typically limited to just Eng 101, ASN programs also require Eng 101, what's the difference?
  7. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Subee, mainly what I'm trying to identify what it is specifically that makes for such a discrepancy in education? There are two consortiums in my state where ASN and BSN students sit side by side in the same classes, the only difference are the electives the BSN students take to change their ASN into a BSN (birdwatching, basketweaving and the like). Is this what makes the Nursing education of these two students sitting the same class so different?
  8. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from nursel56
    Not sure if pressuring faculty to earn their doctoral degrees in the midst of a drastic faculty shortage is sensible either.
    *** How can we have a faculty shortage? We have too many nurses and too many nursing school. Seems to me that we have at least twice as many faculty as we should have.
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  9. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** How can we have a faculty shortage? We have too many nurses and too many nursing school. Seems to me that we have at least twice as many faculty as we should have.
    Because the nurse power groups don't believe we have too many nurses and nursing schools. They continue to speculate that there will be a gigantic exodus of nurses who've delayed retirement, a huge influx of people demanding medical care as a result of the ACA, and droves of aging baby boomers overloading the system.

    Should any of these things fail to materialize, thousands more new grads will not be able to find jobs but the Tri-Council ("an alliance between the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, the American Nurses Association, the American Organization of Nurse Executives, and the National League for Nursing") still made this statement:

    "the Tri-Council is very concerned that diminishing the pipeline of future nurses may put the health of many Americans at risk, particularly those from rural and underserved communities, and leave our healthcare delivery system unprepared to meet the demand for essential nursing services." (bolding added)

    I guess it would then seem logical to them that we're facing a faculty shortage. as Geraldine "Polly" Bednash, executive director of the AACN stated in August of this year. Their view is that every person who can qualify for nursing school should be admitted to nursing school.

    "more than 76,000 qualified applicants were turned away, in large part because nursing schools didn't have enough professors. says nurses comprise the oldest workforce in the nation, and many of them kept working during the recession. They are going to leave in droves andare already leaving in some places where the economy is getting better."
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    Quote from nursel56
    Because the nurse power groups don't believe we have too many nurses and nursing schools. They continue to speculate that there will be a gigantic exodus of nurses who've delayed retirement, a huge influx of people demanding medical care as a result of the ACA, and droves of aging baby boomers overloading the system.

    Should any of these things fail to materialize, thousands more new grads will not be able to find jobs but the Tri-Council ("an alliance between the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, the American Nurses Association, the American Organization of Nurse Executives, and the National League for Nursing") still made this statement:

    "the Tri-Council is very concerned that diminishing the pipeline of future nurses may put the health of many Americans at risk, particularly those from rural and underserved communities, and leave our healthcare delivery system unprepared to meet the demand for essential nursing services." (bolding added)

    I guess it would then seem logical to them that we're facing a faculty shortage. as Geraldine "Polly" Bednash, executive director of the AACN stated in August of this year. Their view is that every person who can qualify for nursing school should be admitted to nursing school.

    "more than 76,000 qualified applicants were turned away, in large part because nursing schools didn't have enough professors. says nurses comprise the oldest workforce in the nation, and many of them kept working during the recession. They are going to leave in droves andare already leaving in some places where the economy is getting better."
    *** Thus adding more evidence that those groups are not on the side of nurses. Plus it looks like they are buying into thier own propaganda. Always a bad sign.
    One of the only valid reason I have ever heard for BSN only entry to RN practice (didn' hear it here) is to actually make real the fake nursing shortage, thus increasing wages and other benifits for nurses. A least until a mass of BSN prepared RNs from the Phillipines, India, Africa and other countries can be imported.
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  11. Visit  Ntheboat2 profile page
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    Too many of what kind of nurses? ADN? Too many of what kind of nursing schools? ADN?

    There's a difference in "shortage of nurses" and "shortage of faculty."

    The main difference being a Master's degree. I have never, ever heard anybody say there is too much nursing faculty.
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    Too many of what kind of nurses? ADN? Too many of what kind of nursing schools? ADN?

    There's a difference in "shortage of nurses" and "shortage of faculty."

    The main difference being a Master's degree. I have never, ever heard anybody say there is too much nursing faculty.
    What kind of nurses? RNs and LPNs. Not enough difference between ADN and BSN RNs to seperate them into different groups.
    There isn't a shortage of either nurses or nursing faculty. Many open and unfilled positions for faculty is no indicator of a shorage. Plenty of graduate degree prepared nurses around but a lot of them don't wish to take the pay cut teaching would mean. I don't blame them. Plenty of RNs with MSNs and docorate degrees working as bedside RNs. All you have to do to get plenty of faculty is to pay them enough.
    Last edit by PMFB-RN on Dec 7, '12
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    I think it's a shame after nurses have had to work so hard to be seen as a valuable member of the healthcare profession instead of "butt wipers" that nurses themselves would say something as ridiculous as, "I don't need a master's degree to wipe butts."

    That's sad if you think you're a glorified butt wiper. Where do you work that they would even pay an RN to be a butt wiper? They must be hard up.
    Who do you think wipes them when the CNA's are cut?
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