All of a sudden an ASN is no good anymore

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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I worked my behind off for this ASN. I'd been in college for years until then with the usual useless liberal arts degree because "if I did what I loved I'd never work a day in my life" and was completely useless when it came to getting a job. So when I started as a nurse I was beside myself with joy to have, finally, a real job.

Now fifteen years later, it appears the entire state is pushing for all nurses to have a Bachelor's- hospitals don't even interview without one.

I have experience. And no offense to those of you with advanced degrees, but you couldn't hold my penlight. I've been at countless BSN's side when they have to assist an MD and they fall apart- they can't understand a sterile field, they wonder whether they're actually supposed to hold open a wound, they don't know how to wrap a bandage. A wound vac is from a foreign planet to them.

And those Master's trained RNs, geez. I can see that in your graduate studies you never learned how to start an IV, nor an NGT, and you certainly don't know how to irrigate a foley. That last one becomes comical until that MSN is found trying to irrigate the bubble.

Forgive me for my insolence, oh advanced degrees. I have experience. If I were ill, I would want an experienced nurse, not a college kid who read books about nursing until he got all the answers right on the test. But as has always, always been the case in this country, experience means nothing. Only that little piece of paper. And I'm too darn old to go back to school. Say what you want, but there is a place where you want to enjoy life, and reading textbooks is not a part of that.

I just wonder whose pockets are being filled by making those degrees the law of the land.

I'm not stereotyping That's the problem. I'm taking each and every one as an individual, with no relation to the one before them, and the response seems to be the same without provocation.So it must be something gone stray or not present in the 4 year curriculum

Except you are. BSN nurses come from a wide variety of backgrounds and ages in the same way that ADN and diploma prepared nurses do. If you are finding that all BSN nurses you know are rude to you, well, you're the constant in that situation as much as the degree is.

I can speak of my experience of the value of both an ADN education and bridging in to a BSN. I obtained my RN through an ADN program 17 years ago and after graduating bridged to a BSN program at a university. The ADN program provided very good clinical training doing bedside care of patients in local hospitals and other facilities; the program continues to be well recognized by local employers who hire the program's graduates. I am glad I attended this program as it gave me a very good clinical foundation in nursing. I am glad too that I bridged into the BSN program as the word back then was that the time was coming when the BSN would be more generally required for employment, and I also wanted the option of graduate school. I am glad I did not start off in this BSN program, as in talking to the BSN students I heard comments that in their final semesters they had received hardly any clinical training. I do feel completing a BSN was valuable for me, and broadened my education because of the courses in research, public health and statistics, and because of the practicum in community health which I did in a nurse managed facility, and the preceptorship in a different specialty. Completing my BSN after my ADN rounded out my education and was as valuable to me as my ADN training, albeit for different reasons. The research class and the statistics requirement most definitely increased my critical thinking abilities.

I have read on this forum that both ADN and BSN classes have in some cases been stripped of their clinical components, and that is very disturbing to me. If this was the case in regard to the schools one was considering attending, then it would make more sense to me to go straight in to a BSN program. I agree with Esme12 in thinking that a BSN program is likely the best choice for someone starting out in nursing today, but I would try to find one with a strong clinical component giving bedside care in hospitals in order to gain a good beginning level clinical foundation in acute patient care, nursing skills and procedures.

Some people have mentioned that after many years of experience as a nurse, going back for their BSN was not especially valuable for them, and other people have mentioned that after many years of experience they do not see a value in their starting a BSN program. I think the value in going back for a BSN can only be judged by the individual concerned. I am many years out of college now, and I don't believe that I would choose to do this now, but that is my personal decision.

Honestly, if I was an administrator I would take advantage of all this internal bickering between the ASN and BSNs and make your lives harder since you woulnd't notice.

Too busy fighting with each other over education in a profession we are always learning in? Knocking someone just because they chose a different path? I have never seen a profession that actually harps on each other over education.

Do you think I'm going to ask each nurse I work with if they are an ADN, BSN, LPN, MSN, MSNBC, CNN, or whatever? You're a nurse and you know your own limitations.

Specializes in Allergy/Immunology.
Nursing is the only profession I have encountered that mocks and looks down upon its colleagues for having a higher education. I am proud of my BSN and my degree has no bearing on your degree.
Yup, and lower too. It seems across the board. :-/
Except you are. BSN nurses come from a wide variety of backgrounds and ages in the same way that ADN and diploma prepared nurses do. If you are finding that all BSN nurses you know are rude to you, well, you're the constant in that situation as much as the degree is.

Did I specifically insult you in any way- Now I will miss BSN- you have just made my point!

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

This is obviously a hot topic. One which many of "us" feel very passionate about. There are nurses with experience that are watching the profession we have devoted our lives to treat us as disposable diapers then we listen to them how they are "desperately needing" experienced nurses.

I think that these economic times have many under stress and has not been a positive influence on the nursing profession as a whole. allnuses supports a lively debate...which means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite.

Additionally, please refrain from name-calling. This is divisive, rude, and derails the thread.

Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting other's opinion nor name calling.

Our call is to be supportive, not divisive. Because of this, discrimination, racial vilification and offensive generalizations targeting people of other races, religions and/or nationalities and educational levels or degrees will not be tolerated.

"We" need to be polite or the thread will be closed to cool off.....

Wow subee... Very charitable... How many young nurses did you morcellate today?!

Scarlettz... Your history reads like mine! I am in my mid 40s now and going back to school was scary...kept a 4.0 until nursing school and "slid miserably" to a 3.84 the top of my ADN class... I miss school terribly and just want to get working now... It has been a long road... And thankfully paid for my education with scholarships alone... Sadly we are broke and I have to put off that BSN for a bit... Call me Desperately Seeking Employment!

By the way... I had an extraordinary experience in the CT community College system and would not trade that for the world!

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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