ADN's being pushed out

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I have never understood the BSN/ADN debate. They are not the same in terms of education...period. Sorry if that offends anyone, but that is just how the world works.

When I got my BSN after my ADN, I will say that I was a more well-rounded thinker, considered more, had higher critical thinking skills, etc, than when I got my ADN, which was almost completely focused on being a nurse and frankly, learning basic skills and how not to kill someone.

Let's face it..if you had two candidates, both interviewed well, both new grads...who would you hire? You would hire the BSN, all day long.

The structure of nursing is changing and people need to change with it. I got my ADN first so I could be working while getting my BSN, but it never, ever occurred to me to NOT get it.

It wasn't that expensive and I never wanted to let it stand in the way of getting ahead, if I decided to. Trust me, it opened MAJOR doors.

PMFB-RN, RN

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When I got my BSN after my ADN, I will say that I was a more well-rounded thinker, considered more, had higher critical thinking skills, etc, than when I got my ADN, which was almost completely focused on being a nurse and frankly, learning basic skills and how not to kill someone.

*** First the debate isn't really about requiring BSNs. It's about BSNs being the only entry to practice. A position that would have prevented you from taking the path you did. tried and proven path that many, many nurses have taken.

I am happy you found value in your BSN program. I didn't. The level of discourse was pathetic and the classes / assignments easy and unrelated to nursing.

Let's face it..if you had two candidates, both interviewed well, both new grads...who would you hire? You would hire the BSN, all day long.

*** Absolutely not true. I wouldn't consider what nursing degree they came to the interview with. One of the hospitals where I work ONLY hired ADN grads into it's critical care nurse residency program for the SICU. BSN grads not considered for the position. They have their own reasons for this.

The structure of nursing is changing and people need to change with it. I got my ADN first so I could be working while getting my BSN, but it never, ever occurred to me to NOT get it.

*** Right. A very reasonable thing to do and a path that offers fantastic advantages over traditional BSN programs. Many people are trying to eliminate the path you took by requiring a BSN for entry to practice.

*** First the debate isn't really about requiring BSNs. It's about BSNs being the only entry to practice. A position that would have prevented you from taking the path you did. tried and proven path that many, many nurses have taken.

I am happy you found value in your BSN program. I didn't. The level of discourse was pathetic and the classes / assignments easy and unrelated to nursing.

*** Absolutely not true. I wouldn't consider what nursing degree they came to the interview with. One of the hospitals where I work ONLY hired ADN grads into it's critical care nurse residency program for the SICU. BSN grads not considered for the position. They have their own reasons for this.

I can tell you the reason for it. BSN grads are more likely to go get their NP and thus, leave. If you hire an ADN, you know she is at minimum, 4 years from that goal.

My facility did a similar thing with scrub nurses. It used to be they only hired LPN's to scrub and then had an RN to circulate. Now, they only hire RN's. The reason why? Too many LPN's left or cut back their hours or wanted to move to different departments after they got their RN and no longer wanted to scrub and they were constantly training new nurses. Once they started training only RN's to scrub, the turnover decreased by over 70%.

There is nothing wrong with hospitals, clinics or any other facility shutting out ADN's IF they can stay staffed.

The availability market will drive what they are permitted to do.

PMFB-RN, RN

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I can tell you the reason for it. BSN grads are more likely to go get their NP and thus, leave. If you hire an ADN, you know she is at minimum, 4 years from that goal.

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*** Close. We didn't get people leaving for NP school. It was CRNA school. Very few of the BSN grads completed the required two year contract they singed to get into the critical care nurse residency. The ADNs did.

*** Close. We didn't get people leaving for NP school. It was CRNA school. Very few of the BSN grads completed the required two year contract they singed to get into the critical care nurse residency. The ADNs did.

That...I can understand...I would say that plagues a lot of ICU units.

nyrn310

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Let's face it..if you had two candidates, both interviewed well, both new grads...who would you hire? You would hire the BSN, all day long.

if they both had the same exp and the only thing that differed was ADN/BSN, i would honestly hire the stronger looking person lol

smartnurse1982

1,775 Posts

so how is this all going to work?

Will Bsn push out Adn's?

Will Rn's(Adn) push out Lpn's?

im just trying to understand.

MunoRN, RN

8,058 Posts

Specializes in Critical Care.
I can tell you the reason for it. BSN grads are more likely to go get their NP and thus, leave. If you hire an ADN, you know she is at minimum, 4 years from that goal.

We've had a hiring freeze on BSN new grads at my facility for 3 years now, and not because they go on to get their NP or CRNA, but rather because we found we can cut down on orientation time and the number of clinical educators we use for new grads. We still hire ADN new grads however.

(I've been at this facility for over 5 years and haven't lost a single Nurse to CRNA school, we've had a few nurses go on to be NP's but they all came back and work either at the hospital or hospitals affiliated clinics).

NCmcMan

123 Posts

if they both had the same exp and the only thing that differed was ADN/BSN, i would honestly hire the stronger looking person lol

I hope you will hire me when I get out of school, cause I'm gonna need a job! :)

smartnurse1982

1,775 Posts

i always thought the push for Bsn was a cover up for hospitals to hire "foreign" nurses instead

Let me explain: The hospitals around here are always screaming they cant find qualified nurses(code for Bsn),yet they seem to have plenty of foreign nurses working there. There is always new faces.

That is just my theory for this area only.

Specializes in Pain, critical care, administration, med.

When will nurses see that we have the lowest education required in the medical field. Lets raise our bar and be the professionals we should be.

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nursel56

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When will nurses see that we have the lowest education required in the medical field. Lets raise our bar and be the professionals we should be.

I think your message is better delivered to those who are preventing the laws from being passed, not on convincing nurses with associate's degrees that they are sub-par in some way.

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