ADN's being pushed out - page 2

I work for a large Magnet hospital. As nursing becomes more popular, and nurses not in short supply, I have noticed something ominous has being going on lately. Several of our older and very seasoned... Read More

  1. Visit  anavelez23 profile page
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    also just like in Computers which people no longer accepting Associates much in the computer world, more BSN...I thought that it is mandatory by law to get a BSN in Nursing and you have a 10 yr window to do that...I was told this..after getting my feet wet in anything I could grab, I'm planning to go on University of Phoenix Online to get my BSN there
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    Scratch that, its in the NY, NJ or/and surrounding areas
  3. Visit  8jimi8ICURN profile page
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    The Seton network (affiliated with ascension) is requiring all ADNs to sign an agreement to enter school for their BSN completion. Seton's goal is all BSN by 2018. Any RN hired without a BSN must be vetted by the DON during the interview. It is on the way in austin texas.
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  4. Visit  foreverLaur profile page
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    Quote from a016202
    Explain to me how more education (4 years vs 2) does NOT make you a better nurse?? How, exactly is an ADN better prepared than a BSN? That is nonsense. And guess who else thinks so?? Magnet and most other hospitals, pharma and research companies, universities, etc. If you are fine with an ADN that's great, but don't try to belittle those whose took the incentive for a more well-rounded education. Or in my case, a MSN.
    Yes, all those history, linguistics, world music, and politics classes I took for my bachelors degree is going to make me a MUCH better nurse. Personally, I'm skipping the BSN because the MSN program in my area allows ADN + non-nursing bachelors to enter straight into the MSN just like a BSN grad would. And several ADN programs in my area have higher pass rates and more clinical hours than the BSN programs.

    A lot of the ADN grads, at least recently, are adults with families or career changers who cannot go back and do a 4 year BSN program. It is time consuming and expensive. My ADN program was dirt cheap and I'll have the same job as the BSN grads do and I got my senior preceptorship over a lot of them.
    Last edit by foreverLaur on Aug 9, '12
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  5. Visit  a016202 profile page
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    I completed my BSN with a 10 year old (I was single). I finished my MSN while pregnant with my last son and working full-time. If people really want the education, they will find a way.

    Yes, all those classes DO make you a better nurse.... better communicator, a better writer, a critical thinker, etc.

    You may have the same job but BSNs/MSNs will always make a better living and have more options in their futures.
  6. Visit  foreverLaur profile page
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    Quote from a016202
    Yes, all those classes DO make you a better nurse.... better communicator, a better writer, a critical thinker, etc.

    You may have the same job but BSNs/MSNs will always make a better living and have more options in their futures.
    Hmm... how does changing the ADN to a BSN make for a better living? In my area, pay is the same. So please elaborate on the living differences? And I do a perfectly fine job at communicating, writing, and critical thinking. I do have a bachelors degree, was heavily involved in research and writing in undergraduate, and currently work in clinical research. I actually have BSN students working with me as part of their curriculum and I'm in charge of their assignments.
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  7. Visit  ajjones1322 profile page
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    I have a 2 Bachelors, started a Masters, finished an MHA and I'm just now doing nursing pre-reqs. I want to be a nurse but I am paying for this. I don't want to be pushed out of the higher paying jobs at the hospital simply because I don't have a BSN when I have a higher level degree. It is happening but it is not fair. And they know the LTC facilities won't necessarily have the same benefits packages as the hospitals for nurses to get a BSN. So it is creating a pay/class system.
  8. Visit  8jimi8ICURN profile page
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    Quote from a016202
    I completed my BSN with a 10 year old (I was single). I finished my MSN while pregnant with my last son and working full-time. If people really want the education, they will find a way.

    Yes, all those classes DO make you a better nurse.... better communicator, a better writer, a critical thinker, etc.

    You may have the same job but BSNs/MSNs will always make a better living and have more options in their futures.
    I *have* a degree in Psychology. Think that doesn't help with communication or writing? When i go for my alternate entry MSN program, i'll be bypassing the BSN. is that going to make me less of a nurse because i didn't take nursing leadership and community nursing courses? Those are not fields i plan on working in.

    **edit**
    Last edit by 8jimi8ICURN on Aug 9, '12 : Reason: typo
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  9. Visit  Anoetos profile page
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    Quote from foreverLaur

    Yes, all those history, linguistics, world music, and politics classes I took for my bachelors degree is going to make me a MUCH better nurse. Personally, I'm skipping the BSN because the MSN program in my area allows ADN + non-nursing bachelors to enter straight into the MSN just like a BSN grad would. And several ADN programs in my area have higher pass rates and more clinical hours than the BSN programs.

    A lot of the ADN grads, at least recently, are adults with families or career changers who cannot go back and do a 4 year BSN program. It is time consuming and expensive. My ADN program was dirt cheap and I'll have the same job as the BSN grads do and I got my senior preceptorship over a lot of them.
    I just finished my BSN and never took music, linguistics or history.

    I did however take classes in leadership, law and ethics, community and public health (emphasis on prevention/promotion), and above all, evidence based nursing practice.

    And yes, I am hopeful these classes have prepared me for a broader scope of practice than the excellent training my ADN brothers and sisters received in generalist, bedside nursing.
  10. Visit  foreverLaur profile page
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    Quote from Anoetos
    I just finished my BSN and never took music, linguistics or history.

    I did however take classes in leadership, law and ethics, community and public health (emphasis on prevention/promotion), and above all, evidence based nursing practice.

    And yes, I am hopeful these classes have prepared me for a broader scope of practice than the excellent training my ADN brothers and sisters received in generalist, bedside nursing.
    I'm not sure what kind of ADN program you graduated from, but we discussed ethics extensively, had an entire class on community health nursing (including a few clinicals in public health nursing), and always used evidence based practice nursing. Whoever said ADN nurses don't do a boatload of research and write a boatload of papers clearly didn't actually go to nursing school! My whole last semester is nursing leadership. Specialty electives were required and I took them in end of life nursing, trauma nursing, and critical care nursing.
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  11. Visit  DSkelton711 profile page
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    Can only speak for myself: I am 52 years old. If I ever get to retire it would probably happen when I am 70 or older. I work 10 hour days 5 days per week, on call 24/7 (no pay). I do not work in a hospital, but an assisted living facility. I consider myself an RN with nearly 30 years experience. I cannot afford school and I have not the time. No one is going to hire me at my age anyways. I think BSN is great. But don't take away my experience. Don't belittle it. Don't consider me less of a nurse. My recommendation is to get your BSN first going in. Go to state schools so cost may be less. I am in management with many years experience. I see no reason for me to have to get my BSN. I should be grandfathered in. Plus, I took same test as BSN nurses.
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  12. Visit  Anoetos profile page
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    Quote from foreverLaur

    I'm not sure what kind of ADN program you graduated from, but we discussed ethics extensively, had an entire class on community health nursing (including a few clinicals in public health nursing), and always used evidence based practice nursing. Whoever said ADN nurses don't do a boatload of research and write a boatload of papers clearly didn't actually go to nursing school! My whole last semester is nursing leadership. Specialty electives were required and I took them in end of life nursing, trauma nursing, and critical care nursing.
    First of all, my program was BSN. That said, I get your point and I never meant to imply that your were inadequately prepared. I am quite certain you are a far better nurse than I will am at the moment, having just finished school.

    My point about law and ethics, community health and evidence based practice was not that the ADN doesn't get any of it, clearly you do, they form essentials of modern nursing practice. My point was that the longer BSN program permits a greater immersion in the subjects, thus, it is to be hoped a better preparation upon graduation for work in fields requiring a greater emphasis on these disciplines.

    If I was unable to make the point clearly, I am sure the fault is entirely my own.
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    Quote from DSkelton711
    Can only speak for myself: I am 52 years old. If I ever get to retire it would probably happen when I am 70 or older. I work 10 hour days 5 days per week, on call 24/7 (no pay). I do not work in a hospital, but an assisted living facility. I consider myself an RN with nearly 30 years experience. I cannot afford school and I have not the time. No one is going to hire me at my age anyways. I think BSN is great. But don't take away my experience. Don't belittle it. Don't consider me less of a nurse. My recommendation is to get your BSN first going in. Go to state schools so cost may be less. I am in management with many years experience. I see no reason for me to have to get my BSN. I should be grandfathered in. Plus, I took same test as BSN nurses.
    I hope no one has ever belittled your experience. I know that I never would.

    But by the same token, I cannot tell you how many times, upon being asked what my degree is, I have been told by ADN prepared nurses that they are just as good as me. I cannot escape the inference that much of the animosity and division is driven by a sort of inferiority complex on their part.

    On the other hand, I can just imagine BSN prepared nurses going into the work environment and acting as though they were superior. I can imagine it, but, thankfully, I have not witnessed it.
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