ADN's being pushed out - page 2

by pammc000 | 119,717 Views | 650 Comments

I work for a large Magnet hospital. As nursing becomes more popular, and nurses not in short supply, I have noticed something ominous has being going on lately. Several of our older and very seasoned ADN nurses are being fired.... Read More


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    Agree, agree. Here in Florida they are being pushed out. But not in Chicago where my friend has yet to consider getting a BSN and is constantly getting work at just under $40/hour. In Florida the magnet facilities are pushing out nurses and it is unfair. You are hiring BSN that have little experience. The experienced nurse can provide better care. Also, you are making it hard for those re-careering into nursing. I already have many degrees. I don't want to pay for a BSN. I just want an ASN, MSN, doctorate. Might have to move.
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    not for nothing this is everywhere, it happen in the school system where I used to be a lunch lady..all those women that were working in this town were fired, working 20 semi yrs or more..making 25-28 or up to 30 dollars an hr and privatize all the cafeterias and hired some of the ladies back BUT 12 bucks an hr or some 9 dollars an hr again....in the Computer Business is happening too my husband has a BSN but might be thinking getting Masters since he needs to keep up with the trend..he has seen older people getting let go and given a severance package..one recent one to an older gentleman in his late 50s, he only got a month worth and he didn't take it =( and this is the Federal Reserve!!!! so I see that is not only in the Nursing Field but everywhere else...higher pay is one of them I say
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    Quote from vickycasrn
    I feel, personally, we are better prepared. So far, the BSN classes are a lot of things that are nice to know, but not entirely necessary to make me a better nurse - experience and watching older nurses who are good examples will make me the nurse I'd like to someday be.
    Explain to me how more education (4 years vs 2) does NOT make you a better nurse?? How, exactly is an ADN better prepared than a BSN? That is nonsense. And guess who else thinks so?? Magnet and most other hospitals, pharma and research companies, universities, etc. If you are fine with an ADN that's great, but don't try to belittle those whose took the incentive for a more well-rounded education. Or in my case, a MSN.
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    also just like in Computers which people no longer accepting Associates much in the computer world, more BSN...I thought that it is mandatory by law to get a BSN in Nursing and you have a 10 yr window to do that...I was told this..after getting my feet wet in anything I could grab, I'm planning to go on University of Phoenix Online to get my BSN there
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    Scratch that, its in the NY, NJ or/and surrounding areas
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    The Seton network (affiliated with ascension) is requiring all ADNs to sign an agreement to enter school for their BSN completion. Seton's goal is all BSN by 2018. Any RN hired without a BSN must be vetted by the DON during the interview. It is on the way in austin texas.
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    Quote from a016202
    Explain to me how more education (4 years vs 2) does NOT make you a better nurse?? How, exactly is an ADN better prepared than a BSN? That is nonsense. And guess who else thinks so?? Magnet and most other hospitals, pharma and research companies, universities, etc. If you are fine with an ADN that's great, but don't try to belittle those whose took the incentive for a more well-rounded education. Or in my case, a MSN.
    Yes, all those history, linguistics, world music, and politics classes I took for my bachelors degree is going to make me a MUCH better nurse. Personally, I'm skipping the BSN because the MSN program in my area allows ADN + non-nursing bachelors to enter straight into the MSN just like a BSN grad would. And several ADN programs in my area have higher pass rates and more clinical hours than the BSN programs.

    A lot of the ADN grads, at least recently, are adults with families or career changers who cannot go back and do a 4 year BSN program. It is time consuming and expensive. My ADN program was dirt cheap and I'll have the same job as the BSN grads do and I got my senior preceptorship over a lot of them.
    Last edit by foreverLaur on Aug 9, '12
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    I completed my BSN with a 10 year old (I was single). I finished my MSN while pregnant with my last son and working full-time. If people really want the education, they will find a way.

    Yes, all those classes DO make you a better nurse.... better communicator, a better writer, a critical thinker, etc.

    You may have the same job but BSNs/MSNs will always make a better living and have more options in their futures.
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    Quote from a016202
    Yes, all those classes DO make you a better nurse.... better communicator, a better writer, a critical thinker, etc.

    You may have the same job but BSNs/MSNs will always make a better living and have more options in their futures.
    Hmm... how does changing the ADN to a BSN make for a better living? In my area, pay is the same. So please elaborate on the living differences? And I do a perfectly fine job at communicating, writing, and critical thinking. I do have a bachelors degree, was heavily involved in research and writing in undergraduate, and currently work in clinical research. I actually have BSN students working with me as part of their curriculum and I'm in charge of their assignments.
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    I have a 2 Bachelors, started a Masters, finished an MHA and I'm just now doing nursing pre-reqs. I want to be a nurse but I am paying for this. I don't want to be pushed out of the higher paying jobs at the hospital simply because I don't have a BSN when I have a higher level degree. It is happening but it is not fair. And they know the LTC facilities won't necessarily have the same benefits packages as the hospitals for nurses to get a BSN. So it is creating a pay/class system.


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