Do you humidify high-flow oxygen with a nonrebreather?

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New nurse here. Last night I was caring for a patient in CHF whose 02 sat plummeted into the seventies while she was on a cannula and receiving 5 litres/minute. The on-call physician ordered a nonrebreather and said to push her up to 10 litres/miute or whatever it took to inflate the bag. Ten litres did the trick. Her sat immediately came up to 93 percent and stayed there.

Later on in the evening, an aide asked me why the patient's oxygen was not humidified. I told her that it was not ordered, and that normally I see humidification as part of the order. She replied that I did not need an order.

Correct? I don't know. When I asked the nursing supervisor if a) the oxygen should be humidified on a nonrebreather, she said she did not know and b) she was uncertain whether I needed an order for it. I'm presuming the latter is facility policy, but I could not find any policy nor a definitive answer about humidification in the clinical handbook that we are supposed to follow.

So which is it? Do you humidify a nonrebreather? Is that creating a Petri dish or protecting the patient? Necessary or unnecessary? And would you expect humidification to be ordered or something you could do as a nursing judgment?

Specializes in Cardiac Telemetry, ED.

As far as I know, you do not need an order to humidify O2. However, I have never humidified O2 by NRB. Aside from what has already been mentioned, I would imagine a patient who needs NRB has bigger things to worry about than dry mucous membranes.

Great info all around. Thanks also to folks who raised different questions. I'll approach this patient differently tomorrow.

Non-rebreather masks are NOT high flow oxygen devices. You CAN humidify NRBs at liter flows of slightly higher than 15 lpm. HOWEVER, you have to have a humidifer bottle that will allow these higher liter flows (no squealing, popping off of the oxygen supply tubing, etc). NRBs DO NOT have to run at 15 lpm....they have to run at flows high enough for the mask's reservoir bag to remain 2/3 of the way inflated. When in doubt, PLEASE ask an RT that you are working with; they have YEARS of specialized training in the respiratory system (and yes, the cardiovascular system as well).

No

You should never humidify Non Rebreather..

If humidity needed maybe need to switch to hi flow nasal cannula device

Or Airvo device

If the patient's needing a nrb at flush to keep sats up they need another mode of o2 therapy... Be it higher flow humidified/warmed o2, which can give a range of fio2 and up to 60lpm, bipap, or mech vent. Depends on the condition. Humidity isn't always needed right away, even being intubated, and can just serve as another reservoir for germies to propagate.

That at being said... always fun intubating someone after they've been on bipap for a while.... with the poor rrt fighting their way past a hamster or two dried inside there...

Specializes in Respiratory Care.

Non-rebreather masks are not high flow oxygen. In order for a device to be considered high flow it must guarantee a specific FiO2 regardless of the pts rate/depth of breathing. A NRM by the textbook only delivers 60-80% O2(not 100% like everyone thinks) and ran to keep the bag on peek inspiration 2/3rds full. Lets be honest though, if you are having to use a NRM, inflate the bag and keep that flow at 15lpm or flush. Bubble humidifiers only can be run up to 6L because they are only ment for nasal cannulas. If run higher than that they will explode and you will have lots of water to clean up. If you don't believe me ask your friendly RT.

Specializes in LTC, home health, critical care, pulmonary nursing.
BellsyNurse said:
That at being said... always fun intubating someone after they've been on bipap for a while.... with the poor rrt fighting their way past a hamster or two dried inside there...

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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