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  1. I am curious what is the law that allows families to videotape nurses in their home? Are they required to disclose?

    Sorry all these newstories that pop up about families abusing nanny cams makes me uneasy and I wouldn't work in a house that had one no matter how good of a nurse I think am.
  2. Asst. Admin
    It is both ethical and legal to videotape a nanny, babysitter, healthcare provider, assuming she is working IN YOUR HOME, in rooms where she/he would have no expectation of privacy. It is unethical and illegal to videotape her/him in rooms where there ARE expectations of privacy. These are bathroom, her/his bedroom (live in) and any areas where she/he would be dressing or undressing.

    As long as she/he is working in the home, the "homeowner is not required to tell them that they are being recorded and assuming there is nothing to hide, there would be no issue with the recording".

    These recordings may not be published on the internet or used for purposes other than maintaining the safety of the child or children. These are to be viewed by the homeowner and the homeowner only, and subsequently destroyed, assuming there is no witnessed misconduct.

    Most states and the federal government restrict "voice recordings". "You" are free to videotape anywhere the human eye can see, with the exception of areas that are deemed to have an "expectation of privacy" such as the bathroom and the nanny's/nurses priavte bedroom(live in). Many camera come without sound to prevent you from accidentaly recording conversation.

    The general rule is "you must have permission to record conversation, some states require consent of both parties (Calif) while other states require only the permission of one of the parties to the conversation.....in taping voices/conversations.

    It is however, legal in all 50 states to use a hidden camera. However, it is ,illegal to record speech without a person's consent in the following 16 states: Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, New Jersey Pennyslvania,California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, and Washington
    Some General Guidelines on video surveillance
    In general, most video recordings are legal in the U.S. with or without consent. Laws do exist regarding "Invasion of Privacy" which deals with the area of expected privacy. These include areas such as bathrooms, locker rooms, changing/dressing rooms, bedrooms and other areas where a person should expect a high level of personal privacy.

    While the majority of laws dealing with video recording privacy issues tend to allow surreptitious recording and monitoring of video activity under most circumstances without notification of any of the parties involved, it is highly recommended that you consult with your local or state law enforcement or an attorney who specializes in this area to comply with all local and regulations prior to utilization of video surveillance and monitoring.

    Hidden Camera Laws
    The laws of 13 states expressly prohibit the unauthorized installation or use of cameras in private places. A private place is one where a person may reasonably expect to be safe from unauthorized surveillance, locker rooms, restrooms etc. Several states have laws prohibiting the use of hidden cameras in only certain circumstances, such as in locker rooms or restrooms, or for the purpose of viewing a person in a state of partial or full nudity.

    Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Maine, Michagin, Minnesota, South Dakota, and Utah also prohibit trespassing on private property to conduct surveillance of people there.

    In Alabama, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, South Dakota, and Utah, installation or use of any device for photographing, observing or overhearing events or sounds in a private place without permission of the people photographed or observed is against the law.

    Covert video surveillance is illegal when:
    The subject has a reasonable expectation of privacy (4th Amendment rights) i.e. in a bathroom; motel room; changing room
    If audio eavesdropping is also taking place, covert surveillance may be illegal when:
    The person with authority over the premises has not consented
    The reason for the video surveillance fosters an illegal purpose
    http://www.wecusurveillance.com/cctvlaws
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    Last edit by Esme12 on Jul 16, '12
  3. Quote from Esme12
    As long as she is working in your home, you are not required to tell her she is being recorded and assuming she has nothing to hide, there would be no issue with the recording.
    I'm not so sure this is true in all states. I'm pretty sure in my state you have to disclose that someone is being recorded in some for or another. I'm off to work right now so I don't have time to look up the specific statute but I will when I get home.
  4. Asst. Admin
    In several states there are two party consent laws, like NJ which means you cannot record audio or video without notifying the other person(s) unless you have a court order. Right to privacy is one issue (in areas where you have an expectation of privacy such as dressing rooms, bathrooms, your own bedroom). That's why businesses and other organizations have signs at the entrance notifying you that you re being video/audio taped. Even in areas with street cams or red light cameras in my are there are notification signs.

    If I want to tape an IEP meting I need to give notification and the school system/team needs to consent and vice versa. However the employee can consent on behalf of the employee in certain cases but the employee must still be notified.
  5. ok so this was the bit i was talking about.

    "us codetitle 18, chapter 119, section 2512 prohibits the interception of oral communication by "surreptitious manner," such as a hidden camera, and so most nanny cams are not available with audio recording. though some on the market may be available with the ability to record audio, these cameras should not be used due to the illegality of the recordings they produce. nanny cams are legal in all 50 states, but it is illegal in 13 states to record audio without express or written consent of the nanny being recorded. this falls under the federal government's ‘wire tapping’ laws."
  6. Asst. Admin
    Quote from tothepointeLVN
    Ok so this was the bit I was talking about.

    "US Code Title 18, Chapter 119, Section 2512 prohibits the interception of oral communication by "surreptitious manner," such as a hidden camera, and so most nanny cams are not available with audio recording. Though some on the market may be available with the ability to record audio, these cameras should not be used due to the illegality of the recordings they produce. Nanny Cams are legal in all 50 states, but it is illegal in 13 states to record audio without express or written consent of the nanny being recorded. This falls under the federal government's ‘wire tapping’ laws."
    Exactly, but they can be used with notification and subsequent consent. I think the biggest problem certain posters in this thread had were that parents admitted they were recording the visits to look for errors, mistakes, improprieties. Of course if you are looking for something to be wrong you are likely to find it. In that case I'd request a new assignment ASAP

    I'd have no issue with my current primary family if she wanted to record video & audio (with consent of course). As both parents work full time and this way she can check in on her kids and perhaps catch a moment or milestone that she might otherwise miss (the main reason she stated when mom mentioned she wished she had Internet accessible cameras in the playroom & kids bedrooms. Also to check on my patient overnight when he stirs to see if there is an issue or just stirring rather than chance waking him up)
  7. Asst. Admin
    Wire tapping laws do not cover video taping if there is no sound. Ifthere is no sound they can tape you without consent.
  8. Quote from Esme12

    You are in their home...with their child. There is not expectation of privacy for you are on duty. I do not believe you have the right, as a nurse in someone elses home, to refuse. Could you please your references for this?
    Now, I stated my personal opinion, which, no matter what my profession I'm entitled to do that, and I assumed I was among my peers. As a private duty nurse, I do have the RIGHT in whoever's home to NOT be recorded.

    This right is exercised by NOT taking the case, however, this has never been a problem for me. There is nothing sinister about me preferring NOT to be recorded, and FYI, I have been in multiple homes where I have been recorded.

    And guess what, I still have a license. I do not go into a home and make demands or tell a parent what to do. I'm very respectful. I have kids also.

    Again, I do not LIKE the idea of being recorded. Is that a problem? I did not say I refuse cases because of this, even though I have a RIGHT to.
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  9. Quote from JustBeachyNurse

    I think what she means is the nurse has the right to refuse a case. This is true, once you orient or start a case you have every right to tell your agency that you don't wish to be assigned that case and the fence finds another nurse (you don't walk out on the case as that would be abandonment). Just like a family cn call the agency to refuse a nurse (request a change in provider). My classmate oriented to my primary case. Parents weren't comfortable and they requested the agency never send her back, and she hasn't been back since.
    Thank you! Valid and reasonable point.
  10. Quote from Esme12
    It is both ethical and legal to videotape a nanny, babysitter, healthcare provider, assuming she is working IN YOUR HOME, in rooms where she/he would have no expectation of privacy. It is unethical and illegal to videotape her/him in rooms where there ARE expectations of privacy. These are bathroom, her/his bedroom (live in) and any areas where she/he would be dressing or undressing.

    As long as she/he is working in the home, the homeowner is not required to tell them that they are being recorded and assuming there is nothing to hide, there would be no issue with the recording.

    These recordings may not be published on the internet or used for purposes other than maintaining the safety of the child or children. These are to be viewed by the homeowner and the homeowner only, and subsequently destroyed, assuming there is no witnessed misconduct.

    Most states and the federal government restrict "voice recordings". "You" are free to videotape anywhere the human eye can see, with the exception of areas that are deemed to have an "expectation of privacy" such as the bathroom and the nanny's/nurses priavte bedroom(live in). Many camera come without sound to prevent you from accidentaly recording conversation.

    The general rule is "you must have permission to record conversation, some states require consent of both parties (Calif) while other states require only the permission of one of the parties to the conversation.....in taping voices/conversations.

    It is however, legal in all 50 states to use a hidden camera. However, it is ,illegal to record speech without a person's consent in the following 16 states: Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, New Jersey Pennyslvania,California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, and Washington
    Are you a medical lawyer, nurse, parent, or is this just your personal opinion? Assuming there is nothing to hide? Really? You can be sued for just about anything, is has little to do with what you have to hide.

    I would argue that most nurses, and Doctors are pretty ethical and are not doing anything they need to hide.

    You might want to read up in private duty and find out some of the loop holes that are used to sue. Litigation is big business.

    And regardless of all of that. It's not a crime to prefer not to be taped.
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