What would you do?

  1. I posted a while back about my instructor for A & P 2. She is a really nice woman but a horrible instructor. Basically, in this class, we have had to teach ourselves. Yes, she gives notes but their is no explanation behind them. So, I read the notes, read the book, and read my cliff notes book to get better clarity on the material. With the exception of the blood, cardiovascular system, respiratory system, lymphatic tissue, and parts of the digestive system, I have struggled to understand the material. My test scores have been 81, 71 (gasp), and 80. My average is a 77%.

    Now here's the question. Would you take the final? There are four tests given in this class, 3 chapter tests and a cummulative final exam. The final exam is going to be 75 multiple choice questions, about 10 from each chapter covered. I would need an 80% on the exam to get a B.

    Please don't assume I am lazy. The problem is, with what I know, I don't know if I can get that 80. The tests are very difficult and I just DO NOT have a firm understanding on what she is asking.

    I am carrying a 3.712 gpa. I am very serious about my studies. I don't want things spoon fed to me, I would just appreciate some clarity about some of the harder concepts. I have never gotten a C in any of my classes, and the thought of taking this one is making my head hurt. The shame is, the thought of taking the final makes me sick.

    I have until Monday at 6:00pm to make my decision. I'll just keep reading my material until I come up with a decision that I'm comfortable with.
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  3. by   NurseyBaby'05
    I had the same situation with A&P 1. It may drop your QPA slightly if you get the C, but you probably know more than you realize whenever it comes time to actually applying the material. A lot of it will make more sense when you begin your nursing classes. (If you haven't already started, that is. I know some people take them together.) Your QPA is really high and you will be able to boost it back with little trouble, I'm sure. Also, it will be a huge weight off your shoulders to have it over with. Another thing I just thought of: does your transcript show number of credits attempted? I know ours do and a lot of places pay attention to that too. They don't like to see dropped classes. At least you (and they) will know you did everything you could. Just my .02.
  4. by   NurseyBaby'05
    Also, let us help you with areas you are struggling with. There are enough of us on here that someone may have the "trick", so to speak, to make certain systems clearer than mud. We can all put our heads together I'm sure. Personally, I had a heck of a time with GU. But thet did not compare to how bad the bones were. If I had to do those again, I would die.


    (Me, thinking of how bad the skeletal system was!:chuckle )
  5. by   alexillytom
    Quote from NurseyBaby'05
    I had the same situation with A&P 1. It may drop your QPA slightly if you get the C, but you probably know more than you realize whenever it comes time to actually applying the material. A lot of it will make more sense when you begin your nursing classes. (If you haven't already started, that is. I know some people take them together.) Your QPA is really high and you will be able to boost it back with little trouble, I'm sure. Also, it will be a huge weight off your shoulders to have it over with. Another thing I just thought of: does your transcript show number of credits attempted? I know ours do and a lot of places pay attention to that too. They don't like to see dropped classes. At least you (and they) will know you did everything you could. Just my .02.
    Well, it wouldn't be a dropped class. I would just get a C in it. Honestly, I am just burned out over this class. If I don't take the final, I will be ending this semester with
    2 A's and 1 C. The final exam is optional. You only have to take it if you are endanger of failing or if you think it might boost your current grade. I have not started Nursing school yet, this is actually one of my last prereqs.
  6. by   alexillytom
    Quote from NurseyBaby'05
    Also, let us help you with areas you are struggling with. There are enough of us on here that someone may have the "trick", so to speak, to make certain systems clearer than mud. We can all put our heads together I'm sure. Personally, I had a heck of a time with GU. But thet did not compare to how bad the bones were. If I had to do those again, I would die.


    (Me, thinking of how bad the skeletal system was!:chuckle )

    Thanks alot. My problem is the physiology portions. My instructor focuses very little on the anatomy. We work with the cellular level. Honestly, she doesn't put any questions about the anatomy on our tests, with the exception of the pathway of the blood through the heart. She focuses heavily on permeability of the lumen in the GI tract, the alkalinity of bile in the gall bladder, the ATP synthase channel in metabolism, and the BP in the blood vessels.

    To me, these are things that need some sort of clarification. Unfortunately, my instructor doesn't agree.
  7. by   magz80
    Have you been accepted into the nursing program already? If so, then I wouldn't lose sleep over one C. You're obviously a great student so you can bring your gpa right up next term. Now, if you're not already enrolled in the nursing program, I would take the final and try like heck to get a B. Let us know what you decide! Good luck
  8. by   llg
    Quote from magz80
    Have you been accepted into the nursing program already? If so, then I wouldn't lose sleep over one C. You're obviously a great student so you can bring your gpa right up next term. Now, if you're not already enrolled in the nursing program, I would take the final and try like heck to get a B. Let us know what you decide! Good luck
    I would probably do what magz80 suggested. If you are already accepted, take the weight off your shoulders, breathe a sigh of relief that you passed the class, and move on.

    If you have not yet been accepted and think that the better grade might make a difference, then I would go for it. Reviewing the material for the final may improve your understanding ... and you only need to improve your test score slightly to get a B.

    Is there any way to talk with someone who took the final last year to see if the final is any easier/harder than the previous tests? Sometimes cumulative finals are a little easier because they don't go into quite as much details -- focusing on the big picture instead. Also, some instructors may "give you a break" because you are making the extra effort to improve your grade. The upperclassmen might be able to give you a clue about that.

    Good luck,
    llg
  9. by   ana115
    Quote from alexillytom
    I posted a while back about my instructor for A & P 2. She is a really nice woman but a horrible instructor. Basically, in this class, we have had to teach ourselves. Yes, she gives notes but their is no explanation behind them. So, I read the notes, read the book, and read my cliff notes book to get better clarity on the material. With the exception of the blood, cardiovascular system, respiratory system, lymphatic tissue, and parts of the digestive system, I have struggled to understand the material. My test scores have been 81, 71 (gasp), and 80. My average is a 77%.

    Now here's the question. Would you take the final? There are four tests given in this class, 3 chapter tests and a cummulative final exam. The final exam is going to be 75 multiple choice questions, about 10 from each chapter covered. I would need an 80% on the exam to get a B.

    Please don't assume I am lazy. The problem is, with what I know, I don't know if I can get that 80. The tests are very difficult and I just DO NOT have a firm understanding on what she is asking.

    I am carrying a 3.712 gpa. I am very serious about my studies. I don't want things spoon fed to me, I would just appreciate some clarity about some of the harder concepts. I have never gotten a C in any of my classes, and the thought of taking this one is making my head hurt. The shame is, the thought of taking the final makes me sick.

    I have until Monday at 6:00pm to make my decision. I'll just keep reading my material until I come up with a decision that I'm comfortable with.

    If I were you, and I know this is probably not what you want to hear, I would take the class over again next semester. You have to know what you're doing, and you have to have a real grasp of these concepts. They are just too important, and it sounds as though you just got a really crappy teacher. Sadly, there are a lot of flakes teaching science courses. I took bio 202 that was a self-paced course, and wound up dropping it because like you, I was just cramming facts into my brain without really understanding how things worked. I took it again this semester with a really tough instructor, but I learned so much more, and now I'm really glad I did. I know it will pay off when I go into nursing school.

    Good luck with whatever you decide.
  10. by   alexillytom
    Thanks you guys. I spoke to my instructor and she told me to study every chapter but not to focus too much on any particular one. I'm still waiting on word about my nursing school application so, I have not been accepted yet. In my school, my understanding is that gpa doesn't count as long as you are over the 2.5 gpa requirement.

    Not that I'm grade obsessed but I really enjoy looking at my transcript and seeing my grades. I didn't do as well in high school, many moons ago, as I should have. Back then,
    my family had serious problems and my parents didn't school to be a high priority. I promised myself that when I went back to school I would give it 110%. I really feel like I have given 150% to this class and it just doesn't register.

    I have every intention of taking this class again even if I get a B. I feel like there is so much I just don't get. I'm not sure how much I will need to know about ATP, angiotensin, and cellular permeability once I become a nurse but I really don't feel like I've learned very much from this class. Unfortunately, I can't retake it next semester because the only class available is being taught by this instructor.

    Right now, I know the right thing to do would be to take the final exam. I know that.
    Unfortunately, my brain is rebelling. It just seems like I'm reading the words but not comprehending anything.
  11. by   NurseyBaby'05
    Just study what you can. You already know what the worst case situation is. Don't make yourself crazy. You may wind up surprising yourself. Good luck this weekend and let the BB know if you need any help.

    P.S. One of the most important lessons that I learned when I returned to school was that an important part of learning/studying is knowing when to walk away. If your brain is rebelling now, take a break. Take care and let us know how it goes.
    Last edit by NurseyBaby'05 on Dec 17, '04
  12. by   alexillytom
    Quote from NurseyBaby'05
    Just study what you can. You already know what the worst case situation is. Don't make yourself crazy. You may wind up surprising yourself. Good luck this weekend and let the BB know if you need any help.

    P.S. One of the most important lessons that I learned when I returned to school was that an important part of learning/studying is knowing when to walk away. If your brain is rebelling now, take a break. Take care and let us know how it goes.

    Thanks again. I'm going to spend this weekend reviewing the material and I'll
    get with everyone Monday morning. Have a great weekend.
  13. by   alexillytom
    After weighing my options, and studying like crazy, I took the final for A & P 2 last night. I don't feel any kind of way about how I may have done. The things that I knew, I really knew. The things I didn't know, I hope I was able to make a pretty good guess at. She was supposed to have the grades posted this morning but she didn't. I honestly feel like I may have gotten a C.

    I spoke to a few of my classmates who have already taken the lab for this class and they all said the lab focuses more on the anatomy than the physiology. They have all scored A's or B's in the lab portion. That made me feel a little bit better.
  14. by   alexillytom
    Well, I just found out that my final exam score was a 78%. It was just enough to give me the 80% that I needed to get a B in the class. I really fought hard to earn that grade but I still don't feel as if I "learned" enough.

    Thankfully, my best friend's husband went almost all of the way through Med School before he realized it wasn't for him. When I start my lab next semester, he has graciously offered to tutor me on any bits that I don't have a firm grasp on. He actually helped me go over some stuff for the reproductive system last night. I just wish he could my instructer. He really made the litte bit of time that we spent discussing it very interesting. We were supposed to cover that organ system in my class but my instructor ran out of time.

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