Rampant Cheating - page 4

Hi - Just curious if anyone else sees rampant cheating going on at their school. I witness it in my Chemistry class all the time. Its so lame. Adults pulling out cheat sheets and writing... Read More

  1. by   MB37
    Purple - I know how you feel. In my nutrition class, our first exam was easy - the class averaged an A, and I got 100. The second exam, however, was much harder. I got a 94, but the class average was 70%. What does my prof do? Offer a retake. Completely devalued my A, and now we get to drop our lowest test grade. I have 100, 94, and 100, and haven't studied at all for my final on Wed, because I'm dropping it. This just seems weird to me.

    I also posted on this thread several months ago - I have honor, and if you're sitting next to me, you had better not cheat b/c I will report it. Rumors are a different animal though - if I only heard that someone was cheating, or that an old exam was going around, I wouldn't want to ruin someone's reputation over hearsay.
  2. by   *Blessed2BaNRS*
    Cheating is cheating, whether it is someone blatantly sitting there taking a test and using notes they have hidden or written on their desks or body, or using old tests and selling them. Even if it does have different numbers plugged in, it still shows the setup and gives the people what they need in order to better study, while the rest of us have to go in sight unseen and not really knowing what to expect. I never go to the instructor based on rumors, but seeing people with copies of tests before class selling them to other people IS cheating, and it is not right. Sure, I would love to see how a test is going to be set up, especially in classes where we don't get study guides to go by, but it is not worth me getting a zero or losing my integrity over it. I work hard for every grade that I get, and I refuse to go through my schooling sinking down to the levels of some of these people to try and get better grades. It just isn't worth it in the end when it really matters the most!

    Like Chris said above, "...for some reason I often feel guilty or as though I have done something wrong, even though I know I have not..." I do feel guilty about mentioning it to the instructors, but I also know that I am doing right in my studying, and I have seen some instances where the whole class was punished for a few people cheating. Getting through school and the nursing program has not only cost me a ton of money and time, but this will be my livelyhood for the next however many years that I am able to work, and I'm not about to let a few people mess that up for me by them cheating their way through school.
    Last edit by *Blessed2BaNRS* on Apr 26, '07
  3. by   Kina21
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    I would hate to have a nurse--or a lawyer, or a minister, or a physician, or a grocer or a friend--who had no integrity.

    Cheating is stealing--they are taking what is not theirs.

    What surprises me is that so few of those who know about cheating are willing to do something about it. I am one of the few--I do let instructors know. I do it quietly, I do it in a way that they can watch and see for themselves.

    And for some reason I often feel guilty or as though I have done something wrong, even though I know I have not. I know I have done something very right and, to a certain extent, brave. It makes me wonder if part of our society's problem is that we object to so little and what we do find "wrong" we ignore.

    There's a CW song with a line in it, "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."

    And a common thought in situations where we are more directly mistreated is that we will continue to get as much as we do, because we do not do anything to stop it.

    If we stand by and do nothing, we are accomplices after the fact.
    I have said something before. I sat waiting, thinking about what to do and I was so frustrated by it, I finally ended up saying something. I knew if I hadn't I would be bothered by it all weekend. It turns out that the teacher already knew, someone had already said something to her that class. It's pretty said when a group of people in a small class know you're cheating.
  4. by   rnmomtobe2010
    My best friend takes an lpn class and she called me crying talking about how people cheat their way through the class and she was really one of the ones trying. She said the teacher knew about it but there was nothing that he/she could do.I told her to just leave it alone and pray about it. That is what u are going to have to do. You just keep on trying. Things will get better.
  5. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from rnmomtobe2010
    My best friend takes an lpn class and she called me crying talking about how people cheat their way through the class and she was really one of the ones trying. She said the teacher knew about it but there was nothing that he/she could do.I told her to just leave it alone and pray about it. That is what u are going to have to do. You just keep on trying. Things will get better.
    She cries because she knows something needs to be done, she is pretty sure it needs to be her, and it is a new and scary experience.

    Being the honest one takes courage. Looking away when you know something bad is happening is rather like not voting and then complaining about the election's outcome. It is hard, very hard, to "do the right thing." Not "doing the right thing" gets you the world we have today, in some ways.

    If instructors are aware there is cheating going on and do nothing, they are part of the problem, and there needs to be a complaint lodged with the Dean of Students. Maybe she can do it anonymously. The first time is the hardest. After that, it gets a little easier, and most of the time the info is well received.

    But if your friend does nothing, she will know that but for having spoken up, a slew of her inept, dishonest classmates will in fact make it into a world where they are responsible for vulnerable people, and where their colleagues really will not be able to depend on them. Not good.

    She should do something. Support her in that. It will help her feel better about herself in a big important way.
  6. by   justme1972
    Quote from blessed061987
    Cheating is cheating, whether it is someone blatantly sitting there taking a test and using notes they have hidden or written on their desks or body, or using old tests and selling them. Even if it does have different numbers plugged in, it still shows the setup and gives the people what they need in order to better study, while the rest of us have to go in sight unseen and not really knowing what to expect..
    Just keep in mind that not all schools consider keeping former tests and exams, cheating. This is the part that varies greatly from school to school.

    Some schools that think it's cheating, fully support professors that are too lazy to come up with new exams each semester. The college my husband graduated from, when he pledged a fraternity, they were extremely open about the 'test bank' that they had, which the teaching staff was fully aware that some Greek organizations kept these. Thus, even more reason to give a new test.

    The schools that don't think it's cheating, believe that it's part of their job to come up with new exams. <~~~ this is the one I agree with.
  7. by   justme1972
    Quote from Kina21
    This happens at my school too. I hate it because I bust my ass to study to make sure I get good grades honestly and then these people who don't try at all cheat and sometimes get better grades. It's so irritating. It happened a few weeks ago and a group of my classmates noticed two people blatantly cheating and some people wanted to bring it to the teachers attention, others didn't

    I would hate to have a nurse who had no clue of the body. If I saw the people who cheated as my nurse I walk away immediately.
    Don't worry, you won't...those that cheat on exams won't pass the NCLEX. A RN degree from a college isn't worth the paper it's written on if you can't get a license to work.

    It's a shallow victory.

    sorry for the double post

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