I know the decision to complete pre-requisites is a very important one for all of us due to time constraints and prior engagements with our lives. My intent when applying to (nameless college- you can look in my previous posts to see the college) was to complete my pre-reqs as quickly as possible and when I had my meeting with my advisor today I completely felt mislead in a direction I did not want to be pushed in. A little background on me is that I am an early high school graduate (I recently graduated a year earlier than my graduating class) and wanted to kick start my butt into gear and get as many pre-reqs completed as I could to get into nursing school
(for my BSN) and complete my BSN within 3-4 years. I am a very goal oriented person, and from my previous track record in high school this is obviously evident. What it seems like to me is that whenever I speak to college advisors the only thing going through their head is dollar signs b/c of my high GPA and early graduation. It is not about me, Nicole, the future nursing student, it is all about FAFSA/ government CHA-CHING they're going to be rolling in. I think what iritates me the most is that when I researched this whole nursing thing I really had a goal in place (what pre-reqs i wanted to complete this summer and upcoming fall) and during the meeting she just shifted those aside and basically TOLD me what to take (mind you my intent was to take courses ASU - my local 4 yr university requires for their BSN program). Having left after my meeting with the advisor I completely felt she jerked me right and left and never really listened to the needs I have. I know I really have nothing to complain about, but what are my rights as a student???? I guess the worst part is I feel they were very unprofessional in the fact that they had me, an underage 16 year old minor solely sign my summer/fall registration papers without any parental regard or consent. I do not feel that I recieved the best option for what my pre-reqs to be completed and she wouldn't even talk it over and somewhat scooted me out of her office in a sense that "NEXT, I HAVE OTHER STUDENTS TO ADVISE LATER" (when there WERE NONE in her office or waiting in the lobby for advisement. I know the pathway I want to take and if she's not working with me what should I do??? Would you back away from this school and basically wait it out until fall and just go to another school or just suck it up and get an education? Sorry for my long rant but it seems like I'm reading and wanting one thing but being pushed to another due to what she believes is lack of "college smartness" /whatever it may be. Responses are welcome, thanks for reading.
Jun 6, '09
Quote from js408
Whether you get FAFSA money or pay out of pocket has nothing to do with advisors. It's not like they get a commission. At any rate, the college gets the same amount of money whether you pay out of pocket or through FAFSA. Not sure why you mention this since it's irrelavent.
The reason I mentioned this is because at the rate she put me in classes (she gave me less credits i.e. summer 3 credits WHEN I could be doing 10 credits and the more credits you're taking the cost is cheaper.) The program I signed up for has and associates degree and I explained to her that I didn't want to do this program b/c it is far to long (about 3 YEARS!) and I'd be wasting time and pre-reqs when I could just get my pre-reqs for my BSN and apply to one of my state universities schools.
An advisor's job is to advise. Their job is to tell you what classes to take. They did their job. You went to see an advisor, and they advised you. Their job isn't to tell you what you want to hear. Their advice may be different from what you think is correct. You're under no obligation to follow their plan. You never said why they disagreed with you. You could be picking the wrong classes if you do it on your own.
I actually did disagree with her. When I walked into the meeting I had my printed out lists of pre-reqs for one of the universities I plan to attend - ASU. I explained to her that I wanted to take MATH 121, psychology, and english this summer and that for fall I wanted to complete BIO 201 (accelerated which they offer) and after complete BIO 202 (accelerated which they also offer) as well as ENG 102, and finally college math MAT 141.When she was done with me she only enrolled me ONLY in summer MATH 121 and for fall BIO 201, BIO 202, ENG 101, PSY 101, and NTR 200. Mind you all the while she was claiming that "our program doesn't require all those courses". Did I mention I didn't WANT to do their associates program? Oh yes, I did- numerous times. Well (skip a few days later after my appointment) and here I am still mad that I could have knocked out PSY 101, ENG 101 and MAT 121 this summer but instead she claims I can't. So you know what I did- I went to the PSY 101 teacher, ENG 101 teacher and I got permission to join their classes like that. So there goes to my advisor claiming I CAN'T DO THAT...
I'm not sure why you mention the fact that your parents didn't consent. What do your parents have to do with it? It's not your parent's job to micromanage every little thing you do. Your parents aren't going to college for you. College is about getting things done on your own and taking personal responsibility. If something goes wrong, you can't make it your advisor's fault or your parent's fault. You need to take some responsibility for things.
I completely understand taking full responsibility, and I'm never one to blame another human for a mistake I caused, but in this sense SHE was the person who's supposed to listen to me and enroll me in the COURSES I want and are able to take. My mom I feel should be interactive in the process because deciding to go to a school is really important and if she had seen how she just shoved me aside I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be going there anymore. I really have trouble sticking up for myself and I often have my mom fighting my battles for me. Idk what it is, but many people see the opportunity to just step on me because I'm a really kind hearted person and I guess I just don't care to fight over such things....
As for your needs as a student? You need to take the required courses, end of story. Whatever else you need is beside the point. If you want to take courses that deviate from the education plan, then do it, but what's that got to do with nursing? The advisor's job is to get you into the nursing program as fast as possible. It sounds like they did that. What needs aren't being met?
But she didn't. I didn't intend on doing their ADN program and I was really CLEAR on that. I did however explain that I wanted to take my pre-req courses and transfer to a four year state university. I guess she did not understand that? That's not my fault if she's blindsided by her own head. Also, she wasn't trying to make me complete the program as fast as possible. The plan she set me up on would make me finish my ASSOCIATES in 3 years..... pass on that when I can get my bachelors in a year more.
What are your rights as a student? You have the right to take whatever classes you want, as long as it meets with the admissions and registration requirements. You don't have to follow the advisor's plan. They are giving you ADVICE, which means YOU get to choose what to take and they ADVISE you. You don't have to listen to their advice. If you think their advice is wrong, get advice from another source. Go to a different advisor. Ask another student. Be resourceful.
I did that exactly and I went above her head. End of story, I got the classes I wanted and I'm happy.
As for all you who replied , thanks for your replies and I did infact try to speak to someone in the Nursing department (prior to speaking to my adviser) but they explained to me that their nursing program doesn't specifically have an adviser....... SHADY much?
Last edit by nnicolee on Jun 6, '09