Direct Entry Programs- How hard to get in? - page 43

Thanks for all of your responses to all of my previous posts. As you probably assume, I'm evaluating all of my options including ADN, BSN, and Direct-Entry MSN. The direct entry programs look... Read More

  1. by   NP-to-be
    Quote from future nurse jess
    Wow- that is so cool! I wish my schools did something like that- what a huge help to prospective students!

    -Jess
    I agree !! That would be a huge help !!
  2. by   Gennaver
    Quote from NP-to-be
    Jess - I have A&P I and II as well as org. chem. If I go to Simmons or MGH I will do the summer classes. If BC, I will hopefully continue at Bunker Hill where I have been fairly pleased thus far (and it would be cheaper)! I must say the idea of doing the science summer at Simmons is appealing to me. Classes are taught in a traditional manner (albeit very accelorated) and geared toward the direct-entry student. What about you Jess?

    Smile - I haven't been able to shake my gut feeling that Simmons is the right choice. However, I've been searching for some objective reasons to justify that decision (and saying no to some very reputable schools). So far this is what I have: 1.) Simmons requires a 9-month RN internship, 2.) All Simmons faculty are required to actively practice and 3.) they seem to be very clinically focused as opposed to research focused which is important to me. Very tough decision
    NP to be,

    You are right, that is a lot of science over the summer! Okay, you can do it, looking forward to reading you in a 'summer of science' forum.

    Gen
  3. by   Jess RN
    Quote from NP-to-be
    Jess - I have A&P I and II as well as org. chem. If I go to Simmons or MGH I will do the summer classes. If BC, I will hopefully continue at Bunker Hill where I have been fairly pleased thus far (and it would be cheaper)! I must say the idea of doing the science summer at Simmons is appealing to me. Classes are taught in a traditional manner (albeit very accelorated) and geared toward the direct-entry student. What about you Jess?
    I have Organic and Micro left. I will probably do Micro at Mass Bay or Bunker Hill. Organic is trickier. Most true orgo classes have a prereq themselves of general chemistry (which I haven't taken and don't intend to). BC requires either orgo or what they call "life science chemistry" which is a sort of chemistry of living beings- some organic- it includes a lab and is tailored to health sciences majors. BC doesn't offer it in the summer though. I found what I think is a comparable course down in Milton at Curry College. It would be a pain of a commute- but better than having to take an extra course, you know? It would all be so easy if I went to MGH- because they have their own science summer. But I guess that's not a good reason to choose a school...

    -Jess
  4. by   PdxDreamer
    Hi guys,
    I'm here in Boston for a few days due to the funeral. I went over to MGH today to talk to the financial aid guy (very nice) and it looks like school will cost around $41K a year!! OMG! I was NOT prepared to hear that. He said that if you put in your acceptance letter, you'll shortly get a package with all the info about the school. They will also have a new student forum on their website where you can try to find roommates if you're from out of state, like me. He let me take my family around the school and poke our heads into the various rooms so if you just drop in, you can at least do that. I didn't have an appointment.

    Hope you get what you're looking for CAG! Definitely follow up with the schools!

    And Jess, could you tell me where to find the rankings on the schools? My family was interested in seeing that. Thanks! Diana
  5. by   Jess RN
    Quote from PdxDreamer
    Hi guys,
    I'm here in Boston for a few days due to the funeral. I went over to MGH today to talk to the financial aid guy (very nice) and it looks like school will cost around $41K a year!! OMG! I was NOT prepared to hear that. He said that if you put in your acceptance letter, you'll shortly get a package with all the info about the school. They will also have a new student forum on their website where you can try to find roommates if you're from out of state, like me. He let me take my family around the school and poke our heads into the various rooms so if you just drop in, you can at least do that. I didn't have an appointment.

    Hope you get what you're looking for CAG! Definitely follow up with the schools!

    And Jess, could you tell me where to find the rankings on the schools? My family was interested in seeing that. Thanks! Diana
    The rankings are on US News and World Report's website. You do have to pay to see the full listing though. I can email the top 200 to you if you want. Just post or pm your email address.

    -Jess
  6. by   NP-to-be
    Quote from PdxDreamer
    Hi guys,
    I'm here in Boston for a few days due to the funeral. I went over to MGH today to talk to the financial aid guy (very nice) and it looks like school will cost around $41K a year!! OMG! I was NOT prepared to hear that. He said that if you put in your acceptance letter, you'll shortly get a package with all the info about the school. They will also have a new student forum on their website where you can try to find roommates if you're from out of state, like me. He let me take my family around the school and poke our heads into the various rooms so if you just drop in, you can at least do that. I didn't have an appointment.

    Hope you get what you're looking for CAG! Definitely follow up with the schools!

    And Jess, could you tell me where to find the rankings on the schools? My family was interested in seeing that. Thanks! Diana
    Here are the general graduate nursing rankings - hpoe this helps.

    Rank/School Average assessment
    score (5 = highest)
    1. University of Washington 4.7
    2. University of California--San Francisco 4.6
    3. University of Michigan--Ann Arbor 4.5
    University of Pennsylvania 4.5
    5. U. of North Carolina--Chapel Hill (Sch. of Nursing) 4.4
    6. Johns Hopkins University (MD) 4.3
    Oregon Health Sciences University 4.3
    8. University of Illinois--Chicago 4.2
    University of Iowa 4.2
    10. U. of North Carolina--Chapel Hill (Sch. of Public Health) 4.1
    University of California--Los Angeles 4.1
    University of Maryland--Baltimore 4.1
    University of Pittsburgh--Main Campus 4.1
    Yale University (CT) 4.1
    15. Case Western Reserve University (OH) 4.0
    Indiana Univ.-Purdue Univ.--Indianapolis 4.0
    University of Arizona 4.0
    University of Colorado Health Sciences Center 4.0
    19. Boston College 3.9
    Columbia University (NY) 3.9
    Ohio State University 3.9
    Rush University (IL) 3.9
    University of Alabama--Birmingham 3.9
    University of Texas--Austin 3.9
    University of Wisconsin--Madison 3.9
    26. Emory University (GA) 3.8
    New York University 3.8
    University of Virginia 3.8
    29. Duke University (NC) 3.7
    Georgetown University (DC) 3.7
    Univ. of Texas Health Science Center--Houston 3.7
    University of Kansas 3.7
    University of Kentucky 3.7
    University of Minnesota--Twin Cities 3.7
    University of Rochester (NY) 3.7
    University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee 3.7
    Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.7
    Wayne State University (MI) 3.7
    39. Arizona State University 3.6
    Catholic University of America (DC) 3.6
    Loyola University Chicago 3.6
    Univ. of Texas Health Science Center--San Antonio 3.6
    University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences 3.6
    University of Florida 3.6
    University of Nebraska Medical Center 3.6
    University of San Diego 3.6
    University of Utah 3.6
    48. George Mason University (VA) 3.5
    Michigan State University 3.5
    University of Cincinnati 3.5
    University of San Francisco 3.5
    Virginia Commonwealth University 3.5
    53. Marquette University (WI) 3.4
    Medical University of South Carolina 3.4
    St. Louis University 3.4
    Texas Woman's University 3.4
    University of Missouri--Columbia 3.4
    58. Baylor University (TX) 3.3
    Brigham Young University (UT) 3.3
    CUNY--Hunter College 3.3
    California State University--Los Angeles 3.3
    Clemson University (SC) 3.3
    Georgia Southern University 3.3
    Medical College of Georgia 3.3
    Penn State Univ.--University Park 3.3
    Univ. of South Carolina--Columbia 3.3
    Univ. of Texas Medical Branch--Galveston 3.3
    University of Connecticut 3.3
    University of Louisville (KY) 3.3
    University of Massachusetts--Amherst 3.3
    University of Massachusetts--Boston 3.3
    University of North Carolina--Greensboro 3.3
    University of Southern California 3.3
    Villanova University (PA) 3.3
    75. Howard University (DC) 3.2
    Indiana State University 3.2
    Loma Linda University (CA) 3.2
    Loyola University New Orleans 3.2
    Medical College of Ohio 3.2
    Northeastern University (MA) 3.2
    Rutgers State University--Newark (NJ) 3.2
    San Diego State University 3.2
    San Francisco State University 3.2
    Texas Tech University Health Science Center 3.2
    University of Colorado--Colorado Springs 3.2
    University of Indianapolis 3.2
    University of Massachusetts--Worcester 3.2
    University of North Carolina--Charlotte 3.2
    University of Oklahoma Health Science Center 3.2
    University of Portland (OR) 3.2
    University of Tennessee--Knoxville 3.2
    University of Tennessee--Memphis 3.2
    West Virginia University 3.2
    94. Binghamton University (NY) 3.1
    Duquesne University (PA) 3.1
    East Carolina University (NC) 3.1
    Georgia State University 3.1
    Kent State University (OH) 3.1
    Mass. General Hospital Inst. of Health Professions 3.1
    Pace University (NY) 3.1
    Purdue University--Calumet (IN) 3.1
    Seattle University 3.1
    Seton Hall University (NJ) 3.1
    South Dakota State University 3.1
    Temple University (PA) 3.1
    University at Buffalo (NY) 3.1
    University of Delaware 3.1
    University of Massachusetts--Dartmouth 3.1
    University of Michigan--Flint 3.1
    University of Missouri--Kansas City 3.1
    University of New Mexico 3.1
    University of Rhode Island 3.1
    University of Wisconsin--Eau Claire 3.1
    University of Wisconsin--Oshkosh 3.1
    115. Augustana College (SD) 3.0
    Azusa Pacific University (CA) 3.0
    California State University--Long Beach 3.0
    College of St. Scholastica (MN) 3.0
    Creighton University (NE) 3.0
    Fairfield University (CT) 3.0
    Florida State University 3.0
    Georgia College and State University 3.0
    Gonzaga University (WA) 3.0
    Louisiana State U. Medical Center--New Orleans 3.0
    Montana State University--Bozeman 3.0
    SUNY--Stony Brook 3.0
    Samuel Merritt College (CA) 3.0
    St. Xavier College (IL) 3.0
    The Sage Colleges (NY) 3.0
    Thomas Jefferson University (PA) 3.0
    Uniformed Services U. of the Health Sciences (MD) 3.0
    University of Akron (OH) 3.0
    University of Alabama--Huntsville 3.0
    University of Alabama--Tuscaloosa 3.0
    University of Alaska--Anchorage 3.0
    University of Central Florida 3.0
    University of Massachusetts--Lowell 3.0
    University of Miami (FL) 3.0
    University of Mississippi Medical Center 3.0
    University of Missouri--St. Louis 3.0
    University of North Dakota 3.0
    University of Northern Colorado 3.0
    University of Scranton (PA) 3.0
    University of South Florida 3.0
    University of Texas--Arlington 3.0
    University of Vermont 3.0
    Valparaiso University (IN) 3.0
    148. Ball State University (IN) 2.9
    California State University--Sacramento 2.9
    East Tennessee State University 2.9
    Florida Atlantic University 2.9
    Intercollegiate Center for Nursing Education (WA) 2.9
    Kennesaw State University (GA) 2.9
    La Salle University (PA) 2.9
    Niagara University (NY) 2.9
    Northern Arizona University 2.9
    Northwestern State University (LA) 2.9
    Old Dominion University (VA) 2.9
    SUNY Health Science Center--Syracuse 2.9
    Samford University (AL) 2.9
    San Jose State University (CA) 2.9
    Seattle Pacific University 2.9
    Simmons College (MA) 2.9
    Syracuse University (NY) 2.9
    University of Hawaii--Manoa 2.9
    University of Maine--Orono 2.9
    University of New Hampshire 2.9
    University of North Carolina--Wilmington 2.9
    University of Southern Maine 2.9
    University of Southern Mississippi 2.9
    University of Wyoming 2.9
    Winona State University--Rochester (MN) 2.9
    Wright State University (OH) 2.9
    174. Adelphi University (NY) 2.8
    Arkansas State University 2.8
    Barry University (FL) 2.8
    California State University--Fullerton 2.8
    College of St. Catherine (MN) 2.8
    Daemen College (NY) 2.8
    DePaul University (IL) 2.8
    Drexel University (PA) 2.8
    Hampton University (VA) 2.8
    Idaho State University 2.8
    Illinois State University 2.8
    Indiana Wesleyan University 2.8
    Minnesota State University--Mankato 2.8
    New Mexico State University 2.8
    Northern Illinois University 2.8
    Oakland University (MI) 2.8
    Pacific Lutheran University (WA) 2.8
    Queens College of Charlotte (NC) 2.8
    Regis University (CO) 2.8
    Research College of Nursing (MO) 2.8
    SUNY Health Science Center--Brooklyn 2.8
    Sonoma State University (CA) 2.8
    Southern Illinois University--Edwardsville 2.8
    Texas A&M University--Corpus Christi 2.8
    University of Hartford (CT) 2.8
    University of South Alabama 2.8
    University of Southern Indiana 2.8
    University of Tampa (FL) 2.8
    University of Texas--El Paso 2.8
    Wheeling Jesuit University (WV) 2.8
    Xavier University (OH) 2.8
    205. CUNY--Lehman College 2.7
    CUNY--Staten Island 2.7
    California State University--Bakersfield 2.7
    Cleveland State University 2.7
    College of New Rochelle (NY) 2.7
    Eastern Kentucky University 2.7
    Grand Valley State University (MI) 2.7
    Hawaii Pacific University 2.7
    Holy Names College (CA) 2.7
    Marshall University (WV) 2.7
    Murray State University (KY) 2.7
    Northern Michigan University 2.7
    Otterbein College (OH) 2.7
    SUNY Institute of Technology--Utica/Rome 2.7
    St. Joseph College (CT) 2.7
    UMDNJ--School of Nursing 2.7
    University of Detroit Mercy 2.7
    University of Nevada--Las Vegas 2.7
    University of Nevada--Reno 2.7
    University of North Florida 2.7
    University of Tennessee--Chattanooga 2.7
    University of the Incarnate Word (TX) 2.7
    Ursuline College (OH) 2.7
    Western Connecticut University 2.7
    Widener University (PA) 2.7
    230. Alcorn State University (MS) 2.6
    Bellarmine College (KY) 2.6
    Bloomsburg University (PA) 2.6
    California State University--Chico 2.6
    California State University--Fresno 2.6
    Capital University (OH) 2.6
    Clarke College (IA) 2.6
    College of Mount St. Vincent (NY) 2.6
    Fitchburg State College (MA) 2.6
    Florida International University 2.6
    Fort Hays State University (KS) 2.6
    Intercollegiate Consortium (LA) 2.6
    Jacksonville State University (AL) 2.6
    Madonna University (MI) 2.6
    Mount St. Mary College (NY) 2.6
    Nazareth College of Rochester (NY) 2.6
    Neumann College (PA) 2.6
    Newman University (KS) 2.6
    North Georgia College and State University 2.6
    Northern Kentucky University 2.6
    Pittsburg State University (KS) 2.6
    Regis College (MA) 2.6
    SUNY--New Paltz 2.6
    Sacred Heart University (CT) 2.6
    Salisbury University (MD) 2.6
    Spalding University (KY) 2.6
    Tennessee State University--Nashville 2.6
    University of Central Arkansas 2.6
    258. Augsburg College (MN) 2.5
    California State University--Dominguez Hills 2.5
    College of New Jersey 2.5
    Drake University (IA) 2.5
    Eastern Michigan University 2.5
    Indiana University of Pennsylvania 2.5
    Marymount University (VA) 2.5
    Mercy College (NY) 2.5
    Radford University (VA) 2.5
    Southeast Missouri State University 2.5
    Southern Connecticut State University 2.5
    St. Joseph's College (ME) 2.5
    University of Mary (ND) 2.5
    University of Puerto Rico 2.5
    Valdosta State University (GA) 2.5
    Wagner College (NY) 2.5
    Wesley College (DE) 2.5
    West Texas A&M University 2.5
    Western Carolina University--Cullowhee (NC) 2.5
    William Paterson University of New Jersey 2.5
  7. by   max6well
    I am not sure how they calculate those rankings, but for they also rate hospitals on different specialties, including geriatric where MGH ranked 5th.
    Obviously I am partial to MGH since I only applied there but I hope I get clinicals at MGH.

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/...pecihqgeri.htm
  8. by   NP-to-be
    Quote from max6well
    I am not sure how they calculate those rankings, but for they also rate hospitals on different specialties, including geriatric where MGH ranked 5th.
    Obviously I am partial to MGH since I only applied there but I hope I get clinicals at MGH.

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/...pecihqgeri.htm
    Maxwell - I had never seen the hospital rankings - very interesting. Thanks!
  9. by   Jess RN
    Quote from max6well
    I am not sure how they calculate those rankings, but for they also rate hospitals on different specialties, including geriatric where MGH ranked 5th.
    Obviously I am partial to MGH since I only applied there but I hope I get clinicals at MGH.

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/...pecihqgeri.htm
    At the infosession at MGH I got the impression that all first year RN clinicals are at MGH. It is only in the advanced practice part of the program that students have assignments to different agencies for clinicals.

    -Jess
  10. by   Jess RN
    Quote from NP-to-be
    Maxwell - I had never seen the hospital rankings - very interesting. Thanks!
    Jen- I was at a church thing last night and had the chance to talk to a 20 yr nursing veteran. I was telling her about the different programs hoping to get her perspective on nursing school and which one to choose. She works at MGH now and asked if I had looked at Simmons' program because she thought it was the best one in the area. She's a BC graduate btw. Just another data point.

    -Jess
  11. by   NP-to-be
    Quote from future nurse jess
    Jen- I was at a church thing last night and had the chance to talk to a 20 yr nursing veteran. I was telling her about the different programs hoping to get her perspective on nursing school and which one to choose. She works at MGH now and asked if I had looked at Simmons' program because she thought it was the best one in the area. She's a BC graduate btw. Just another data point.

    -Jess
    Really ?!?!?! Oh Jess, thank you so much for sharing that with me !! I'm having such a hard time w/ this decision. I think I really want to go to Simmons but for some reason I'm having a hard time justifying saying no to others :uhoh21:

    Thanks for the positive feedback !!
  12. by   Gennaver
    Quote from future nurse jess
    I have Organic and Micro left. I will probably do Micro at Mass Bay or Bunker Hill. Organic is trickier. Most true orgo classes have a prereq themselves of general chemistry (which I haven't taken and don't intend to). BC requires either orgo or what they call "life science chemistry" which is a sort of chemistry of living beings- some organic- it includes a lab and is tailored to health sciences majors. BC doesn't offer it in the summer though. I found what I think is a comparable course down in Milton at Curry College. It would be a pain of a commute- but better than having to take an extra course, you know? It would all be so easy if I went to MGH- because they have their own science summer. But I guess that's not a good reason to choose a school...

    -Jess
    Hi there,
    Wow, by the time you guys start your gep, it will probably be easier then the summers of science! Keep this in mind during this summer of science. I would also like to suggest that you are ALREADY admitted and do not need to super stress the perfect A's.

    Phew, breath in, and go for it!! The stress is off really in that all you need to do is well enough to pass, (although no doubt you will excel!)

    I would be surprised if they let you take organic without the gen chem first. However, they just might. I'm only in IL and have only asked that same question at three junior colleges and four universities over the last five years and while I was told no I did encounter other students who said that they just, 'signed up and took it on their own' without advisers permission. Their secret was in NOT asking a question in order to avoid being refused. Hmmm, I should have done that!


    Gen
  13. by   Gennaver
    Quote from NP-to-be
    Here are the general graduate nursing rankings - hpoe this helps.

    Rank/School Average assessment
    score (5 = highest)

    8. University of Illinois--Chicago 4.2

    This is the school I am trying for!! Now the wait is indeed agonizing, two more weeks until I hear IF called for interview.

    sigh,
    Gen

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